Kill switch or ignition?

[Dubvgogetter]

If i recall i had to wiggle around big red plug before for engine to cut off like a year ago. I put de electrical grease on all the prongs and that fixed it that time. Not this time though lol. I dont have the money to replace wiring harness for big red plug. May have to eliminate big red plug and connect wires...

 

[jbuote]

???
Why take off the flywheel?
If I understood in the beginning, when you disconnected the black/yellow at the engine (and did nothing else), it started up just fine you said. Reconnect black/yellow at engine to shut it off right?

That indicates whatever is grounding the black/yellow is boat side of where you disconnected the black/yellow. Not further towards the engine.

Did I miss something?

 

[Dubvgogetter]

I disconnected *at a connection* that leads to engine. Not directly at engine. There is a segment between the connection and engine that goes up under flywheel where it disappears in there somewhere. But ur saying i dont need to look at engine side of this connection right? That woupd be one less thing to deal with lol.

 

[Dubvgogetter]

And yes sir, disconnected it runs.

 

[jbuote]

Ahhh...
Ok.. A pic of *at a connection* might help, but yeah.
If I have my thoughts correct, by disconnecting *there* (hehe ) and it runs (black/yellow isn't grounded) then I'd think the issue is between *there* and the remote/ignition switch/kill switch/ground in the boat.

I think now, I'd take my multi meter, set it to continuity. Ohms is good, but using the diode looking setting for an audible tone I find quite handy..
Red arrow in the pic:



Put black lead on ground (remote casing usually) and then the red on the boat side of *there* when disconnected from engine.
Does it beep? Get a reading other than 0.L?

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Can i put black lead on any ground? Remote casing? Here is the infamous connection in the first pic lol. Side by pinky goes to red plug then ignition. Other side goes to engine under flywheel in other picture. I will have to do anything further tomorrow. We r narrowing it down

 

[jbuote]

Hey! I can see what you mean now! lol

Looks like a disconnect so you could replace power pack if needed and not have to cut the wire to the red plug.
Is that the wire you replaced? it's now red on the pinky side?

Anyway, you could disconnect there as you've done before.
Then put red meter lead into that boot (pinky side) and then black on engine block.
That'll tell you if it's grounding in the engine side at all.
Guessing not since you just replaced the wire it seems. haha!

But, that won't tell you if it's shorting on the boat side. Reason for that is, the battery isn't connected. The ground in the remote and the ground on the engine aren't connected...

I guess you could take all the wires that would normally go on the negative post of your battery, and keep them connected together somehow... Then you should be able to use just about any ground.

Otherwise, do you have a length of wire that might reach from the engine to the remote so you can connect to the same ground that the "M" terminal on the ignition switch grounds to?
Then you can put red lead into the boot at the pinky, then the black lead on the wire going to the ground in the remote.

If it beeps or shows other than 0.L (with key in RUN or START) you work your way towards the remote.
Next spot would be to unplug the big red plug and put red lead into the terminal for the black/yellow on the boat side of big red plug. Does it beep there?
So on and so on towards the remote till it doesn't beep anymore..
Once it stops beeping, your issue is between where it stopped beeping and the LAST place tested that DID beep...

I hope that made some sense and didn't confuse you...
I'm not convinced I explained that very well at all, but I hope you get what I mean... LOL

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Yes the red wire on pinky side is the new wire i put on. I will get back to you tomorrow. Past my bedtime lol. Have a good evening!!!

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Pinky side goes to big red plug then ignition so if i put red lead in there that will tell me if its grounding boat side won't it?

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Will do some testing here in an hour or so.

 

[jbuote]

Pinky side goes to big red plug then ignition so if i put red lead in there that will tell me if its grounding boat side won't it?

Yup.. That's the idea!

Did my post #47 above make any sense or is it all a jumbled mess? ound:

 

[Dubvgogetter]

I made some sense of it lol. I ran a wire from m ground post on ignition to beside motor. Put red tip of voltmeter in boot that goes to ignition, i put black tip on voltmeter on wire i ran to ignition m ground. On the setting u showed me it said O.L but when i switched to ohms below that it was running numbers.

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Did same thing with pinky side of boot and engine ground.

 

[Dubvgogetter]

I also bypassed big red plug with killswitch wire.

 

[jbuote]

I made some sense of it lol. I ran a wire from m ground post on ignition to beside motor. Put red tip of voltmeter in boot that goes to ignition, i put black tip on voltmeter on wire i ran to ignition m ground. On the setting u showed me it said O.L but when i switched to ohms below that it was running numbers.

What position was the key in?
Was lanyard in or out?

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Lanyard was in but forgot to put key on lol! Brb. Good thing u asked

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Ok it actually was on run even though i forgot to look and lanyard in.

 

[jbuote]

When I say "beep" from here out, it'll mean either a beep on the continuity setting OR 0.0 without a beep if you're using the Ohms scale..
No beep will be no beep on continuity, or 0.L on Ohms scale.

The results you WANT for these tests are:

Lanyard in, key OFF: Beep
Lanyard in, key RUN: No Beep
Lanyard in, key START: No Beep


Lanyard out, key off: Beep
Lanyard out, key RUN: Beep
Lanyard out, key START: Beep

If we're not getting the above results, either the meter probes aren't touching correct places, or there's an issue with the circuit.

If I recall, lanyard out was working, so you should get a beep with lanyard out in all cases. That'll confirm we're set up correctly with the meter.

Is the kill switch ground connected still?

 

[Dubvgogetter]

Lanyard in and key to run was running numbers not O.L. so in your terms above no beep.

 

[Rustywrench]

jbuote; I have been keeping track of this post kinda? Just to help you out, maybe, keep in mind this motor has UFI ignition. (Under Flywheel Ignition). That doesn't change any of the basic principles you are trying to get across. OMC had a lot of problems keeping the system mounted on the mag plate. Someone mentioned NOT to pull flywheel. I would have already pulled that flywheel just to see what is going on under there. Frayed wires, etc can be going on. Just my opinion. Hope it helps.