OMC versus Merc

Ed Harris

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looking at buying another boat this week. A 1988 sunbird Eurosport 2. Has the 350 4 bolt mains. With OMC outdrive. Does anyone have any opinions with this setup?
 

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It is 31 yrs old, and it is an Orphan, as OMC is out of business,
 

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Same advice as those more knowledgeable above. I just finished replacing the FWD gear set, straightening a prop shaft and doing a complete re-seal on an '88 Cobra.

First bellyache: OEM parts are scarce. Sierra and GLM fill most gaps.
Second bellyache: If you are not into serious DIY, you are walking off the end of the plank. OMC shops are scarce.
Third bellyache: If you are serious DIY, first bellyache. Required gear set shimming tools are scarce, and backlash procedures are cryptic. Adjusting gear set shimming to visual wear patterns is ancient.

Merc parts, shops, and tools are readily available.
 

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looking at buying another boat this week. A 1988 sunbird Eurosport 2. Has the 350 4 bolt mains. With OMC outdrive. Does anyone have any opinions with this setup?

I've owned one for over 20 years. Too many parts NLA & shift cable adjustments can be a nightmare. Most mechanics won't touch em. My 2 cents? Stay away.
 

Ed Harris

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Tks for all the input that I asked for. But I am still on the fence about it. If the drive fails I can at least throw a merc at it. I am pretty much a DIY person. Repairing things don’t really scare me. At least now I know a few things about em. On the plus side they have the boat in a raised lift at a marina so I can run it in the lake to see how it shifts and how the dogs unlock.
 

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If that's the case, then I would hope the price you are paying is really only for the Boat, plus a discount on the fact the engine is actually worth Less than Nothing.
 

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If the drive fails I can at least throw a merc at it.

Ayuh,...... Dumping 3 or 4,000 bucks into a 31 year old entry level hull sure don't sound like a wise investment to me,.....

Even if it was free to begin with,......
 

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Ayuh,...... Dumping 3 or 4,000 bucks into a 31 year old entry level hull sure don't sound like a wise investment to me,.....

Even if it was free to begin with,......

Yep, i have an '87 Starcraft powered by a 3.0 Cobra with a bad transom. So, I'm parting it out. If it was a Merc or Volvo I'd fix it but not with this OMC setup. Ain't worth it. Even the SEI conversion would cost me a couple grand.
 

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Tks for all the input that I asked for. But I am still on the fence about it.
Is this the type of boat you're talking about?

I am sure that this one sold many years ago for that price.......I couldn't find a date on the ad.....

But now, a boat that old would be a real problem unless you could get it for nearly nothing. Then when you repowered it, it might be worth whatever you pay for the new engine and drive.....(NOT counting labor to install)

http://productmover.com/products/198...d-eurosport-2/
 

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It is exactly like that except green in color with yellow trim. The one I am looking at is for $3800. All I have seen is pics though. Right now I am sporting a 1985 wellcraft 170 American of which I just replace the timing cover today.
 

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It is exactly like that except green in color with yellow trim. The one I am looking at is for $3800. All I have seen is pics though. Right now I am sporting a 1985 wellcraft 170 American of which I just replace the timing cover today.

If you're smart you won't even consider that Sunbird powered by a King Cobra. Sunbird are like a lot of boats built in the mid to late 80's by a crapload of boat builders with fancy brochures to lure in the suckers. Slapped together with lousy quality control, poor workmanship, cheap materials. Slap 'em together, ship 'em out. Any boat of that vintage unless it was stored inside, & maintained meticulously will have rot somewhere. Almost guaranteed. And finding one that doesn't is a long shot.
 
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I have to agree with all that has been said...I've owned the '88 Four Winns with the 4.3 OMC Cobra...and while the drive itself has been great...so has the transom mount and related parts...with none of the problems that Merc Alphas are known for in salt water (leaky rusty steering arms, loose hinge pins, steering play) the lack of techs to do repairs, and the difficulty in sourcing certain parts, is a real problem. I had the old batwing exhaust (one piece units on the V6 models) and had to investigate swapping over to the later style center riser exhaust because the batwings have been NLA over 10 years. I was able to do it but had to buy over $400 worth of Volvo Penta parts (90* exhaust pipes, hoses) to make it work. If the drive blew I can still get one rebuilt from Crowley Marine. However, if that does happen, a better plan would be to convert the Cobra to a VP/SX, this is a well known conversion that can be done with used parts and the SX is a big upgrade, equivalent to a Bravo strength wise and smoother shifting. But it all costs money, I would only do this because this boat has been pretty much 100% restored at this point.

So don't do it to yourself with all the good Merc powered boats out there, that will have none of these issues....I taught myself to do the OMC shift adjustment jokingly kidding with my OMC techs a few years back because "what will I do when you retire"....and this fall....they did! The guy who owns our boatyard bought their shop, he probably can do it as well, but good thing I know how to do it myself and have the 3 OMC tools needed to do it....I bet if you called 10 shops, 9 would say they don't work on them or don't work on boats that old.

Then there's the reality of wood and 'glass construction, I fixed plenty of rot on my '88 FW, I can tell you that's a job I'd NEVER EVER DO AGAIN. If I do get another boat....it will be nearly new....and powered by a modern outboard....
 

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looking at buying another boat this week. A 1988 sunbird Eurosport 2. Has the 350 4 bolt mains. With OMC outdrive. Does anyone have any opinions with this setup?

here are my observations

first, its a sunbird..... a boat company that was owned by OMC. Build quality was extremely low for the standards of 1988, which is seriously low for todays standards.

second, its a 32 year old boat that has a 15 year life expectancy

Third its an OMC.... a boat/marine/outboard company that died decades ago.

4th, seriously doubt the motor has 4-bolt mains. in fact I would go out on a limb and say, short of the offerings from Mercury Racing, or other racing divisions, it does not. the only 4-bolt main motors that I have come across were big blocks, and of those, only the Gen V and Gen VI as many of the mark 4 motors were 2-bolt
 

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I have to agree with all that has been said...I've owned the '88 Four Winns with the 4.3 OMC Cobra...and while the drive itself has been great...so has the transom mount and related parts...with none of the problems that Merc Alphas are known for in salt water (leaky rusty steering arms, loose hinge pins, steering play) the lack of techs to do repairs, and the difficulty in sourcing certain parts, is a real problem. I had the old batwing exhaust (one piece units on the V6 models) and had to investigate swapping over to the later style center riser exhaust because the batwings have been NLA over 10 years. I was able to do it but had to buy over $400 worth of Volvo Penta parts (90* exhaust pipes, hoses) to make it work. If the drive blew I can still get one rebuilt from Crowley Marine. However, if that does happen, a better plan would be to convert the Cobra to a VP/SX, this is a well known conversion that can be done with used parts and the SX is a big upgrade, equivalent to a Bravo strength wise and smoother shifting. But it all costs money, I would only do this because this boat has been pretty much 100% restored at this point.

So don't do it to yourself with all the good Merc powered boats out there, that will have none of these issues....I taught myself to do the OMC shift adjustment jokingly kidding with my OMC techs a few years back because "what will I do when you retire"....and this fall....they did! The guy who owns our boatyard bought their shop, he probably can do it as well, but good thing I know how to do it myself and have the 3 OMC tools needed to do it....I bet if you called 10 shops, 9 would say they don't work on them or don't work on boats that old.

Then there's the reality of wood and 'glass construction, I fixed plenty of rot on my '88 FW, I can tell you that's a job I'd NEVER EVER DO AGAIN. If I do get another boat....it will be nearly new....and powered by a modern outboard....
I bought my Starcraft powered by a Cobra when it was 4 years old. I owned it for only 2 years when the floor rotted despite me making sure the boat was protected from the elements. I knew squat about boats but learned quick from going to the library & doing reserarch. I jumped in & pulled out the rotten floor & it wasent pretty. They fastened the floor to the stringers with staples which weren't even stainless because most of them were like dental floss. Then they left them exposed. The glass work was a joke underneath, the layup of the glass was poorly done resulting in delamination which rotted the stringers. I did the work myself & it lasted for years. Now the transom is shot so I'm parting it out as the motor purrs like a kitten & the drive is also still good. Like you, i will never buy another sterndrive unless it's new or close to it. Cobras are good drives imho but too many parts are now nla & the shift system setup looks like it was designed by commitee. That was part of the reason for the company's downfall.
 

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I had the same issue with the deck in my '88 F/W, crappy construction with staples not monel causing rot in the deck of course covered with a thin coating of 'glass and carpet! Back in 2005-2007 I redid the deck, had it gelcoated in non skid gelcoat, no carpet, 12 years later its still solid.
At this point, I would not buy another sterndrive, period. The switch to high tech EFI and cat converter exhaust pushed me over the edge. Sterndrives were OK when the engines were simple automotive based engines that could be maintained and repaired by backyard mechanics. OB only now
 

Ed Harris

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Update on the Sunbird with the Cobra. Decided against it when I went and looked at it. Sunbird did a crappy job on this Eurosport 2. Items found upon arrival at boat. Soft floor at bench seat, fuel gauge not working, depth finder not working, trim tab joystick non-functional, floor in cuddy was not carpeted or covered with nothing but the thin coat of glass from factory, the outdrive skeg was bent not broken, had various holes where things were mounted but were not there now. And engine was not running but was running yesterday is what the owner said but it quit on him in the lake and had to get towed in. I left it with him and told him it was not what I was looking for. A boat project in South Alabama during the summer sucks. As an added bonus he only come off the price $200.
 
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