Aluminum boat quest

sphelps

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There are 4 seasons - You need 1 more motor. :joyous:

Ha ! I have others but afraid I would exceed the hp rating a bit .. :eek:
I would like to find a couple late 30,s early 40,s to go through and use ..
I’m in the learning phase of these old motors ...
 

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Ha ! I have others but afraid I would exceed the hp rating a bit .. :eek:
I would like to find a couple late 30,s early 40,s to go through and use ..
I’m in the learning phase of these old motors ...

My birthday was last month, and on that day the wife and I were on our usual Fall cruise in the Caribbean. When we got home and pulled the car in the garage there was a huge pileocrap on the back step covered with newspapers. Further inspection revealed a 1956 Johnson 7.5 that my son found on the curb on garbage day. He left it as my birthday present.....LOL. The sucker actually runs, though it looks like it was in someone's backyard for the last 40 years.

My point is that they are out there and all you have to do is look.

I have about twenty "late 30's - early 40's" in my collection. All run but for a couple. My "test boat" is the Sea Nymph tinny in my signature.

My suggestion to you would be to look for a Johnson of that era, 10 HP or less. Back in that day they built them like a tank. Even the coils were copper clad (rather than scotch tape and lacquer), and most examples will run with no more than some cleaning required.

Good luck with your new hobby.
 

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I love antique engines. The Father of the guys that run Proctor Marine near us in Simcoe Ontario refurbishes small engines. He is in his 90's now and still does it. When he is finished they are art work. Look better than the day they were sold new. I have dome the paint and detail on a few for a friend that does the mechanical work but nowhere like what Mr.H does. Keep at it JimS123. There's money in it too.
 

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I love antique engines. The Father of the guys that run Proctor Marine near us in Simcoe Ontario refurbishes small engines. He is in his 90's now and still does it. When he is finished they are art work. Look better than the day they were sold new. I have dome the paint and detail on a few for a friend that does the mechanical work but nowhere like what Mr.H does. Keep at it JimS123. There's money in it too.

Yeah you can make a small fortune if you start with a large fortune....

NOOOO money in it. The cost to refurbish (that is to make the motor run reliably) exceeds the value of the motor if you want to sell it. If you add the cost of paint and decals and you're not even on the planet.

People don't want an old motor that is noisy, smells like burning oil and uses a lot of gas. It has to be a labor of love and a chosen hobby.
 

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Yeah you can make a small fortune if you start with a large fortune....

NOOOO money in it. The cost to refurbish (that is to make the motor run reliably) exceeds the value of the motor if you want to sell it. If you add the cost of paint and decals and you're not even on the planet.

People don't want an old motor that is noisy, smells like burning oil and uses a lot of gas. It has to be a labor of love and a chosen hobby.

I have to respectfully disagree that one can't make a profit. Guys are buying them for wall hangers in their shops or Man Caves. They don't run and will never run because only the cosmetics are done zero mechanics. If one goes to the length to get them in running order you are 100% correct.
 

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I have to respectfully disagree that one can't make a profit. Guys are buying them for wall hangers in their shops or Man Caves. They don't run and will never run because only the cosmetics are done zero mechanics. If one goes to the length to get them in running order you are 100% correct.

The wallhangers that are pristeen examples actually look better than the originals. Most guys will clear coat them and add exact copies of the original decals. In the olden days none were clearcoated and thus not that shiny. The minimum price for paint and decals is about $150 is you want an exact match. Then add the labor, whatever that's worth to you.

If you look at EBay (as one example) the selling prices are more than the motor cost when new. A further look shows that hardly anybody is buying them at those prices.

If you can sell one at the asking price, then of course you made a goooood profit. But most guys hang them on the wall as a barn find, or they use 2 cans of Rustoleum and call it a day.

I just finished my 70th motor. (you should see MY man cave.) It is a 1956 Johnny 5 1/2. I make my own decals (if I can find an internet pic that I can duplicate). In this case Rustoleum had a 99% match and with some sandpaper on the points and gumout thru the carb, she runs fine.

My son gave it to me for my birthday, after finding it on the curb on garbage day. Total investment - $15.00, plus maybe 15 hours of labor. MOD EDITED AGAIN.
 
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I’m only at 1 of 3 on restoration’s ....I feel so inadequate.....:facepalm: :D
 

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70 motors Jim, 70!!! Man I am not even going to make another comment to you when it comes to these things, 70! We all would love to see your Man Cave, I bet it's more than a cave. Can you share with us a few pics of your work? I'm sure we would love to see a few. 70!!!! I don't have enough years before my best before date to do 1/3 of the detail work for that many projects. I don't know if the gent from our Marine dealer in town has done 70. I can stand staring at the few that are on display in the showroom for hours. Like being in a museum.

edit: I have to admit I don't pay retail for the peel and stick graphics. The son of a family we have known for years has his own shop and I get the family discount if I ever do get an invoice. He worked for me during a few summers when he was going to College.
 
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I have to respectfully disagree that one can't make a profit. Guys are buying them for wall hangers in their shops or Man Caves. They don't run and will never run because only the cosmetics are done zero mechanics. If one goes to the length to get them in running order you are 100% correct.

Nobody I've seen has made anything on one. Brother in law wouldn't believe me when I showed him a couple of really old engines I've had for 40 years or so. There's a 1.5 hp Ole Evinrude, and a 10 hp 4 cylinder Johnson. When I told him they weren't worth anything he offered to buy them for 50. apiece. When I agreed, he shut right up and I haven't heard a word on the topic since!
 

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70 motors Jim, 70!!! Man I am not even going to make another comment to you when it comes to these things, 70! We all would love to see your Man Cave, I bet it's more than a cave. Can you share with us a few pics of your work? I'm sure we would love to see a few. 70!!!! I don't have enough years before my best before date to do 1/3 of the detail work for that many projects. I don't know if the gent from our Marine dealer in town has done 70. I can stand staring at the few that are on display in the showroom for hours. Like being in a museum.

edit: I have to admit I don't pay retail for the peel and stick graphics. The son of a family we have known for years has his own shop and I get the family discount if I ever do get an invoice. He worked for me during a few summers when he was going to College.

My ManCave is a 3-car garage that houses the motors, 2 boats and a classic car. I call it the "BoatHouse", but my wife does call it the museum. It's a lifelong endeavor that started as a teenager with the gift of my Grandpa's old Wizard. My Lyman was acquired in 2005 as I was planning for retirement. All of the motors are registered with the Antique Outboard Motor Club.


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sphelps

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Hey Jim ,how well does the Big Twin 25 push the Lyman ..
I missed out on the 35 Golden Javelin I was looking at .. Ya snooze Ya loose I guess ...

Beautiful collection btw . Thats a lot of time and work hanging on the wall for sure !
 
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