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Scott Danforth

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At least Mercedes Benz thought about the potential issue of a dead battery .....
Sounds like a solution to a problem that shouldnt exist in the first place, whereas the solution adds significant weight and complexity to an already extremely heavy and overly complex vehicle.
 

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Thankfully it is a small 2 lb. or so gel-cell battery like is found in emergency lighting. the weight of the battery and the servo are pretty much offset by not having a cable, bracketry, and all associated linkages. Aside from a few idiosyncrasies, both of these MB SUVs we own is just as easy to maintain (but requires far less wrenching) as any "classic" I've ever had. Cost of parts aren't really any more than anything else of the same vintage. Sitting at over 300K miles on the diesel, and almost 120K on the gasoline burner. IMHO, compared to the '14 Audi Allroad and the '14 BMW 535GT that we had, it appears that MB makes the best all-around most well-designed, easiest to repair German vehicles. And they are made in the US. We bought them used for not really much more than other used SUVs of their vintage were going for since we're just poor country folk that refuse to purchase new anything ever again. No crazy expensive custom specialized tools needed to do routine things like brakes, oil changes, bulb replacements, alignments, axle shaft replacements, filter changes, etc. I can only think of one thing I can point to on the engines in them that I would consider a pish-poor design: plastic coolant fittings. And the stupidest thing I can see about it is having to fill the transmission through the drain plug. But I guess most of us boaters kinda already do this, so it's like second nature.
I don't know that they are any heavier than any similarly-sized SUV from their generations. They sure as heck don't feel heavy in the way they handle.
But to your point, I don't believe there will ever be a day going forward that we return to the simple pleasures of yesterday's automobiles. Too many multi-letter acronym governmental organizations have pretty much eliminated that option.
 

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But to your point, I don't believe there will ever be a day going forward that we return to the simple pleasures of yesterday's automobiles.
thats why I build my daily drivers. my next one will be under 2000#, under 11 ft long, and over 425 hp.
 

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Think my Son's BMW took a dump last week. Said alert came on saying "drive train issues. Then his turbo got real loud and motor stopped. It's a some kind of a mid size with 4 cyl turbo. When he first got it I asked him why BMW? Said it was a good deal, his friend knows them and has same motor. My thought is he wanted to be a yuppie for a while.

Either way today today they get into it and the motor is locked up.
 

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My older vehicle faves are Jeeps with the 4.0 liter in-line six. Wrangler, Cherokee or Grand Cherokee. Easy to repair, fun off road and tons of interchangeable parts and aftermarket support. Have everything you need nothing that you don’t….values on good Wranglers are high, Cherokee is starting to take off, Grand is still the low priced bargain, and most comfy of the 3.
 

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At least Mercedes Benz thought about the potential issue of a dead battery and an electronically shifted (via a servo motor actually moving things that a cable could just as well do) by having a smaller battery that has only one purpose: moving that servo out of park in case the main battery is dead. And that battery is charged by the charging system and is constantly tested and monitored. If it fails, the car will make it very well known to the operator.
At least some versions (perhaps all) of the 722.9 transmission does this. I don't know about other ones they make.
If you get stuck in park with this transmission, your pretty much deserved it or wanted to be.
My Rivian has a port near the trailer hitch. You open it and there are two wires that allow you to "jump" the car's 12V battery to allow you to open the car and it will charge the internal 12V battery that runs all the car's computers.
 

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How do you like the Rivian? They are all over the place especially the truck but several others are pretty popular as well. I haven’t heard anything bad so I’m guessing things are going well.
 

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How do you like the Rivian? They are all over the place especially the truck but several others are pretty popular as well. I haven’t heard anything bad so I’m guessing things are going well.
Out of curiosity, where are you located?

I have the truck but the SUV version outsells the truck by a huge margin.

I love it and have had zero issues in 12K miles(knocking on wood). Some people have had some issues. Fortunately for me, I live very close to multiple service centers. When the time comes to bring it in for something, it shouldn't be bad.

Whenever I go skiing and have my gear tunnel open, people come over to see it. The gear tunnel door opens up and creates a seat so you can put your ski boots on.

The R2, which is coming out in January, is going to be a less complicated and cheaper to repair vehicle.
 

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My older vehicle faves are Jeeps with the 4.0 liter in-line six. Wrangler, Cherokee or Grand Cherokee. Easy to repair, fun off road and tons of interchangeable parts and aftermarket support. Have everything you need nothing that you don’t….values on good Wranglers are high, Cherokee is starting to take off, Grand is still the low priced bargain, and most comfy of the 3.
That is the vehicle the gov't was after when they were taking gas guzzlers off the road with the stupid buyout. Taking one of the best vehicles off the road because it used a little more fuel. Just think about all those great vehicles trashed and taken out of service !
 

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That is the vehicle the gov't was after when they were taking gas guzzlers off the road with the stupid buyout. Taking one of the best vehicles off the road because it used a little more fuel. Just think about all those great vehicles trashed and taken out of service !
LOL...the only vehicles taken off the road were the ones that were worth less than the buyout amount. My brother brought in his chevy pickup and the suspension failed on the way to the back lot.

The main purpose of the program was to revitalize the auto industry in the great recession. Personally, it was a failure since it likely just accelerated peoples decision to buy a new car.
 
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".the only vehicles taken off the road were the ones that were worth less than the buyout amount."


I don't believe that for one minute...🫤
 

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If I recall it was a $5k buyout. Many cars were sold well below that value even in good condition. A lot of them were junkers yes, but a lot were just worth less.
 

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Out of curiosity, where are you located?

I have the truck but the SUV version outsells the truck by a huge margin.

I love it and have had zero issues in 12K miles(knocking on wood). Some people have had some issues. Fortunately for me, I live very close to multiple service centers. When the time comes to bring it in for something, it shouldn't be bad.

Whenever I go skiing and have my gear tunnel open, people come over to see it. The gear tunnel door opens up and creates a seat so you can put your ski boots on.

The R2, which is coming out in January, is going to be a less complicated and cheaper to repair vehicle.
I’m on Martha’s Vineyard
Being a relatively small island the EV’s make a lot of sence here. Servicing them has been a challenge but it’s starting to become possible to find a shop that can work on them.
 

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That is the vehicle the gov't was after when they were taking gas guzzlers off the road with the stupid buyout. Taking one of the best vehicles off the road because it used a little more fuel. Just think about all those great vehicles trashed and taken out of service !
That’s one of the many reasons for my resentment toward “that” administration and so they put people in car loans some couldn’t afford for cheap disposable cars that have long since been junked. Meanwhile my old 98 is still running well, needs work still but one of the easiest to work on vehicles ever….the other reason was that the same admin engineered the sale of ChryCo to Fiat but bailed out GM. Meanwhile CC was in dire straits because of mismanagement by the greedy fools from M-Benz. They had a chance to save a formerly great company from Euro-mismanagement and they blew it….and now there’s almost nothing left of ChryCo & Dodge, a shame!
 
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That program took a lot of good beaters off the road. My c3500 qualified for that... and oddly enough has outlasted nearly every vehicle that was bought to replace it in the fleet... is what it is at this point.
 

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".the only vehicles taken off the road were the ones that were worth less than the buyout amount."


I don't believe that for one minute...🫤
You think people were trading in cars that were worth more than the average $4200 voucher that they got for it? Would you trade a car in that was worth $6000 to get a $4200 voucher?
 

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I’m on Martha’s Vineyard
Being a relatively small island the EV’s make a lot of sence here. Servicing them has been a challenge but it’s starting to become possible to find a shop that can work on them.
We have a normal drive from our house in Los Angeles to Lake Tahoe. Basically have to stop twice for 20 minutes each on the way up and twice for 15 minutes each on the way home since its downhill. We actually end up stopping longer since we have to let the dog out a couple times anyway.

Takes us the exact amount of time no matter driving an EV or an ICE car.
 
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