Re: Bayliner boats
I think its a freaking scream that Bondo thinks I have been registered here under another name. I am pretty sure Strat will stand up for me when I say that this is my first round of participation on this forum. On ALL forums (and I participate in about 15 of them currently across the boating and automotive spectrum) I go by either mtrainVR6 or mtrainTurbo. WHy don't you go ahead and Google those...tell me what you come up with. I can wait.<br /><br />Bondo, you obviously know absolutely nothing about this subject, so why don't you just butt out.<br /><br />FOR THE RECORD: the worst years of Bayliners were the 1984 SMALLER Capris, and 1987 - 1989 Capris and the 2150 and 2450 Cieras. The early Capris suffered from bad quality. The 1987+ Bayliners suffered from the switch to mass production coupled with OMC drives (which I personally detest).<br /><br />IF THE BOAT IN QUESTION FALLS OUTSIDE OF THIS RANGE, you can safely assume that it is a MUCH higher quality boat. Almost ALL Cieras were assembled in Motoryacht plants to Motoryacht specs. And UNLIKE Bondo, I can cite sources AND first hand knowledge from people associated with the company. WHich is a lot more than blowhards like Bondo can do.<br /><br />IN particular, my 1850 Capri (vintage 2000, same hull as Minion's) is solid fiberglass with fully fiberglass encapsulated stringers. The only thing I can realistically complain about construction-wise is the lack of a fiberglass floor, and carpeted plywood in parts of the engine room.<br /><br />Of particular note, the newer 185 hull is shared, for the most part, with Sea Ray.<br /><br />Of MORE note, we can talk about Sea Ray and the balsa-cored hulls and improperly sealed through hulls and rotten cores.<br /><br />My point? Bayliner may have made mistakes, but so have the supposed "higher quality" boats. THerefore, they don't justify the added cost in my book.<br /><br />As for our resident idiot Bondo, I say this:<br /><br />Post a full size pic of your boat with full specs, including year, make, model, engine options. And for MY personal edification, where do you boat out of in the 1000 Islands? I am willing to bet its not the TI Club, which is what your attitude would seem to convey. We already exposed one wind bag, I would love to do so to another.<br /><br />The reason why I say this, Bondo, is my 1986 Bayliner 2450 Ciera was, until recently, still in your neck of the woods. I almost bought it back last year but someone got to it before me. It was 17 years old, and from the previous owner's report (and full survey) it was in top condition. Doesn't seem to support your theory on Bayliners, does it?<br /><br />While we are at it, I would like to apply the same unilateral thinking to your boat as you do mine: I still think its an ugly POS unfit for polluting the 1000 Islands with.
