2016 Mercruiser 6.2L ECT DTS Axius Cooling System Issue

Lou C

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I thought the same thing Ted, have the risers ever been off? If not it could be something like that. Is the exhaust on these newer Mercs cast iron or aluminum? I never checked my brothers 4.5 when he had one. He had one mild overheat (simple solution rod out the water intakes) but that was enough for him he traded it on a similar boat with a 4 stroke outboard…I hope it’s cooler where you are than it is here! Way too hot to be hanging upside down in the bilge!
 

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Not sure about New England here it’s about 72-76*.
 

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Here are a few more graphs . . .

Clearly the starboard engine shows the riser temp coming down and then going up whereas the port just climbs . . .

Water pressure and ECT look OK.
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If it is nice and sunny tomorrow, I'll clean out the Port and starboard risers as best I can, then take the boat for a power run.
 

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I thought the same thing Ted, have the risers ever been off? If not it could be something like that. Is the exhaust on these newer Mercs cast iron or aluminum? I never checked my brothers 4.5 when he had one. He had one mild overheat (simple solution rod out the water intakes) but that was enough for him he traded it on a similar boat with a 4 stroke outboard…I hope it’s cooler where you are than it is here! Way too hot to be hanging upside down in the bilge!
Hi @Lou C -

The exhaust is steel, both manifold and risers. AFAIK - The exhaust has never been inspected or replaced. The boat is in its 10th season, so not a surprise that it needs some love. ;)

Out in the bay, I was getting a water temp of 78˚F . . . in the harbor it was a little less. We usually peak-out in water temp in early August. I think most of our 'heat' comes from the gulf stream.

The coolant side looks fine on both engines . . . full and no evidence of coolant loss.

The manifold/riser gaskets show no signs of seepage or rust. . . speaking of gaskets, I just checked the price of the new-style gaskets (full block-off/closed cooling)
 

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with water temp below 80, its definitely a flow issue. unlike the gulf with its 95F water temp.
 

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I thought the same thing Ted, have the risers ever been off? If not it could be something like that. Is the exhaust on these newer Mercs cast iron or aluminum? I never checked my brothers 4.5 when he had one. He had one mild overheat (simple solution rod out the water intakes) but that was enough for him he traded it on a similar boat with a 4 stroke outboard…I hope it’s cooler where you are than it is here! Way too hot to be hanging upside down in the bilge!
Hi @Lou C -

The exhaust is steel, both manifold and risers. AFAIK - The exhaust has never been inspected or replaced. The boat is in its 10th season, so not a surprise that it needs some love. ;)

Out in the bay, I was getting a water temp of 78˚F . . . in the harbor it was a little less. We usually peak-out in water temp in early August. I think most of our 'heat' comes from the gulf stream.

The coolant side looks fine on both engines . . . full and no evidence of coolant loss.

The manifold/riser gaskets show no signs of seepage or rust. . . speaking of gaskets, I just checked the price of the new-style gaskets (full block-off/closed cooling) (8M2004606) prices ranging from $165 - $200 per gasket o_O . So, even to inspect the risers, the parts would be $800 ish :unsure:
 

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with water temp below 80, its definitely a flow issue. unlike the gulf with its 95F water temp.
Yes, the highest that I have seen is 80˚F for water temp and it only lasts for a couple of weeks.

I'm also thinking flow issue, so I'll see what I can do short-term, as I only have a couple of days to work on it. I think I need to run the Diacom recording for longer - yesterday it was only about 2-1/2 minutes. Although, it showed a difference between the 2 engines, it was not all that conclusive from what I can see. The only take-away was that the exhaust on the port engine did not come down when the boat accelerated (came on plane), whereas the starboard engine did come down and then back up.
 

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That much for gaskets? Well maybe the consolation is they have lasted this long it seems, problem being even if there are no leaks, no way to determine if they are clogging unless you take em apart.
For the 8mm holes I'd suggest a specially calibrated coat hanger wire to rod out those holes. I have one in my boat! Had to use something similar when my brother's overheated. Also, when applying the anti fouling to the drive I always spray extra in and around those holes. The Cobra had a plastic screen that was an attraction for barnacles so I tossed it. Not needed here. The 4 holes in the Cobra lower unit are big so I can actually see with my endoscope camera what's growing in there, if anything.
 

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I'm trying to get the boots off the exhaust risers and elbows so I can get a look at the riser internals.
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They are no easier than the old style to get apart. So far, I have taken off the clamps and briefly ran the engines to loosen the boots up (which they did). Still hard to get things to move so it will come apart.

Any tips/tricks to share? :LOL:
 

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Hose picks to get it loosened up then spray either silicone spray or the like to get it sliding easier.
Mercury powertune is a good go too to get them sliding as well.
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hose pick to get them off.
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windex helps to get them back on if you do not have power tune
 

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Not much luck getting the exhaust pieces separated. The boots are plenty loose, the pieces just don't want to go.

I'm done fiddling with them, I'm on to an acid soak of the internals, to the greatest extent that I can. I'm using oxalic acid (aka wood bleach). I've had good luck before using this type of acid on rust. Gonna leave it overnight soaking.
 

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I filled the risers with a fairly strong mixture of oxalic acid (via a long hose to the lower fitting) and will let it sit overnight. I have an appointment in the AM, so I'll be out on the boat in the PM running some neutralizer and seeing how things look.
 

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BTW - The more I think about the exhaust pieces, it looks like the best thing is to unbolt the riser from the exhaust manifold, swing it up 90-180˚ and pull it out of the rubber coupler (boot). Then the other pieces should come apart as needed.
 

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BTW - for those who have not used oxalic acid, here is what 'AI' says about it. . .

"Soaking an iron casting in an oxalic acid solution is a common method for removing rust. Oxalic acid effectively removes rust (iron oxide) by converting it into water-soluble iron oxalate, which can then be rinsed away."
 

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I soaked cylinder heads in oxalic acid in the past

I have also used 20:1 water to muriatic acid
 
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