110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

robie

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hello need some info please i bought a 1978 110 thunderbolt 9.8 hp just had a chance to use it this past weekend and it seems to run very good but some type of problem runs well at high speed but some times i decrease the speed and it starts to buog or back fire and then quits on me and then takes a while to get it started again is it possible that it is the stater or something if anyone can please help me out would be great thank you
 

robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

hello does any one have any idea as of what is going on thanks
 

Eshaw150

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check the gap of the points. Im not a merc head but that is a good starting point
 
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robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

thank you very much also by any chance do you know what the correct gap should be
 

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

hello need some info please i bought a 1978 110 thunderbolt 9.8 hp just had a chance to use it this past weekend and it seems to run very good but some type of problem runs well at high speed but some times i decrease the speed and it starts to buog or back fire and then quits on me and then takes a while to get it started again is it possible that it is the stater or something if anyone can please help me out would be great thank you

Of course, it could be compression fuel or spark. It's always a good idea with an old engine that you don't know the history of is to start off with a compression test. It's easy and takes 10 minutes.

You should also clean/inspect the entire fuel supply from the inside of the tank, including removing and looking at the tank pick up, hose, bulb, etc. to the carb. Also, make sure you have clean, fresh gas in there. This all takes another 10 minutes, and just a few bucks if have to replace the fuel hose.

You might also want to clean/rebuild the fuel pump and carb. This is a little more involved, but pretty darn easy w/ an OEM service manual ... and also do the waterpump maintenance (probably not related to your problem though).

Another very simple, 10 minute job is to check is if it's dropping a cylinder at lower speed. I had that problem, not exactly the symptoms you're describing, but basically intermittent tough starting and rough idle at low rpms but ran fine at higher. I traced it to a coil, replaced it and it worked well for a while. Then I had similar symptoms 1/2 season later. Thought it was the other coil going bad, but turned out to be a switch box. Anyway, here's some basic stuff I did:

First, carefully inspect all wiring and make sure the plugs are good - proper type, gap, not worn out, etc.

You might want to check the spark strength one at a time w/ adjustable spark tester.

If you can get it to idle,

Carefully (insulated pliers), remove one spark plug wire.
- if engine quits, that plug is firing, but the other one is not
- if engine stays the same (rough, but running), that plug is not firing, other one is
- if engine gets worse, but stays running - both plugs are firing and in removing one, you're now only running on one cylinder.

If you've found you're dropping a cylinder at idle, you can switch coils. If the problem follows the coil, replace that coil. If the problem does not follow the coil, it could be a wire issue or a switch box.

I have no idea how to test the stator, but I'd bet an OEM service manual would walk you through that.

This stuff takes a little time, but not a lot of expertise. Sometimes you have to go A-Z on an older engine you get, just to get it up to speed.
 

robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

thanks for the info but not sure what you mean about follow the coil to replace it do you mean switch wire to the other coil thanks again
 

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

this engine does not have points, it has a trigger coil, stator, and a switchbox for its CD type ignition, i had the same problem with mine at lower rpms as d-boat was saying and also had a bad coil, i ran an ohms test with the wires off both coils, turns out i wasnt getting any resistance on one of my coils unless i pushed on the negative pole (which was the eventual problem)
 

robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

hello not sure what you mean buy puting the negative wire where is the negative wire from the coils thanks and also does that mean replace the coil and this will fix the problem engine is a 1978 merc 9.8 110 thunderbolt
 

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

hi,

Not so sound simple, but do you have good water at the tell tale.
When those motors got over warm they would act like that until they
cooled down. Then they would run good for a while and do it all over again.
 

robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

thanks for the info but what do you mean good water at th tell tale
also i may have run the motor out of the water bit mor than 15 sec is this true that you can fry the water pump
 

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thanks for the info but what do you mean good water at th tell tale
also i may have run the motor out of the water bit mor than 15 sec is this true that you can fry the water pump

Hi,
When you engine is running there should be a water stream coming from the side of your engine. This is your water pump tell tale.
Never start your engine out of water, 5 seconds can burn your impeller up.
If you think you 15 seconds on a dry impeller I would look at it. The impellers in the fishing Merc are a little frail when it comes to no water.
 

robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

well you right i had to learn the hard way the water pump is burned out
so i will never start the engine out of the water again thanks for all the info
 

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Hi,

I hope that is all that is wrong. keep a pickle pail or small garbage can around to do your test starts with. Let us know if you need more help.
 

green4themoney

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

i was talking about the negative pole on my secondary coil, if you look under your cowling, you will see 2 orange plastic casing covering your coils and you will see a positive terminal, and a negative terminal on your coils, i was talking about the negative terminal
 

robie

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Re: 110 thunderbolt pleeeeease need info

so if i put an ohm tester on the coils i can tell if they are bad when the engine is off thanks
 

green4themoney

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yes, with the electrical wires disconnected from your positive and negative terminals between positive and negative terminals you should get a reading of .02-.04 ohms
 
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