1954 evinrude 15hp starter and lower unit help

[Rwed]

got this 15 hp evinrude to try and repair, and ran into problems.
It sat for couple years before i got it. i started giving it a go over

1. shifter was shifting little funny, like it would wanna pop out of neutral when i'd spin the prop to test if it was shifting properly into f and r, and now the propeller is stuck and won't turn either way. I took off lower unit, and was fiddling with shifter to see if i can shift it that way, and no, the prop is stuck as i move the shifter up and down..... it's old school lower unit, gear box that has six bolts 3 each side. the kind that uses spaghetti gasket on the inside in that one video i found of that particular lower unit. i also can't turn the drive shaft, as it is also stuck, the prop turns 1/2 turn before meeting dead resistance. i guess the question is: how screwed is that?
2. pull rope... i haven't fired up motor bc i wanted to give it a full rundown before i blew it up accidentally, but the motor turns no problems, and i was giving old pull rope a tug to check the recoil and just to get the feel, and then it made loud metal CLUNK, now, granted, i was not yanking the rope, only pulling it out kinda slowly, so hen, it retracted, and i gave it another slow pull, it was fine, and then another, and clank again. i guess the question is: how screwed is that?

Any help is appreciated. Good help is REALLY appreciated

 

[racerone]

Remove bypass covers on side of block.----Note / see how pistons move when you turn flywheel.------Then again it might just be an ignition coil interfering with the turning flywheel.----Should be easy to see what is going on here.

 

[Rwed]

racerone: the clunk was that of metal on metal, and it sounded like it was coming from the pull rope unit.as i would apply pressure on the pull rope and as it began to turn the starter/motor (im not 100% on all the parts names yet) then it would unleash what feels like some of that spring load. iwas avoiding any further pulling until i had some decent ideas of what's wrong. and if there are tricks to removing some parts, like there are with lower unit when i took one apart and was like, ummm ... so i've been careful moving forward, trying to get as much info ahead.. and on youtube, while i found alot of advice, it's not detailed for case specific things, and especially for older motors. like i only was able to find one video of my f/r gear taken apart... but thank goodness it was pretty detailed

 

[racerone]

That lower unit design was used from about the mid 1950's to the mid 1980's-----Lots of videos I am sure.---But maybe only 1 of them labeled for a 1954 model.

 

[Rwed]

ok, 1st.. the prop/shaft issue was solved, it was just my noob mistake.
2nd, i did find out that the tooth that catches the cog on the starter when i pull rope must be worn out, b/c every other time as i pull, it it slips, and makes got awful metal clanking noise, which is i'm guessing just cog spinning against that worn out tooth, in the pic you can see the cog with spaces where tooth catches, u cant c tooth, b/c its hard to see ... so i guess my question is: what to do? i can't really even start the motor with that guy, bc it'll just wear out the cog to death with that, right? can i just replace the metal lever/hook that worn down, or do u have to get the whole starter?

 

[racerone]

Remove the recoil.----Inspect the pieces.----Might just need a wee spring.---Remove pieces on top of flywheel to inspect ignition coils.

 

[Chinewalker]

Agreed - taking the recoil off the motor (three bolts) won't let any smoke out. Take a look-see and it might be something obvious...

 

[Rwed]

ok, guys, took off recoil as per advice, here's pics. i see that one of the teeth is missing, and one if u can zoom out, is worn down quite a bit.., also the worn out tooth does not come out fully when pulled on cord, maybe from the tooth's metal being worn out catching on its housing?what's my most economical options? also, took a peek see inside where the coils are, pic probably not good, both coils looked dry, uncracked. kinda nice. once i get the starter figured out, i'm going to try and get it cranking. its sat for years before i bought it... should i wait to see how it starts up, once i get the recoil fixed or is there more things i can be working on?

meanwhile, thanks for the help already given

 

[racerone]

Wrap a rope around the flywheel and start it up the old fashioned way.-------Those parts / starters should be easy to find.-----The pawls / springs etc were used on some of the 28 / 35 /40 hp motors into the 1960's-=----Have many in my workshop.

 

[Rwed]

got that pic on ebay... is that right? i'm thinking all 3, what about those tiny springs? r they special?
I can't get gas hooked up, don't have the adapter, i'll probably get a plastic stent connect to the gas line w couple hose clamps to just test it. racerone, i'd buy them from you if u'd sell them to me, lmk, before i order, if u on facebook u can msg me on facebook Roman Obroubov, i got paypal, lmk what you'd charge me for 3 w/ shipping if u r interested, if not i'll just get some from ebay. yeah, hardest part for me right now, is just learning what the hell every part is called

 

[racerone]

e-bay is the fastest way to happiness.-----All I am saying is that those parts are common and not just used on one motor !

 

[Rwed]

cool, beans. it seems this would close out this topic, thanks guys, see you after i get more questions

 

[lindy46]

That's the pawl you need. Go to aomci.org and place a free want-ad for the springs. Someone will have them.

 

[Rwed]

As per advice ordered
3 New pawls.I'll need one more Tiny pawl spring. But i think local ace has tiny spring selection

 

[Rwed]

I got a rough starting 15hp Johnson Thai I'm about to carb rebuild. And 15hp evinrude that i ordered carb rebuild. I guess my question... How many?

 

[Rwed]

My bad. Parts all ordered. Even the carb rebuild kit. I hope its same for both 54evinrude and 56Johnson bc i ordered 2 kits

 

[Rwed]

meant..which one? also, thers a tiny metal tube running alway up on evinrude... what it for?

 

[Rwed]

the real question, is... what should i keep on my boat. 54 evinrude, or 56 johnson

 

[racerone]

A tiny metal tube mat well be for oil recirculation.----Post a picture of this tube.-----Keep the 56 if it is in good shape.

 

[Rwed]

that metal tube going vertical behind those 2 fuel lines.
So, racerone, i got the pawls on it and i got the carb rebuilt since last message... and today, when i pulled it... nothing, not even a sputter. i have a feeling a don't have a spark.. what would you suggest? fuel goes into the carb, there's compression that's way better than on 56 johnson, but it's not dark yet ao i cant test to c if there's spark... i was just wondering, if before i go and start on therm coils people keep telling me about, is there another thing i might have missed?
I gave the motor a fairly thorough go over, but i am new to this, and don't wanna jump too many steps

P.S. I rebuilt carb on that 15 hp johnson, and got it running pretty good, took it out on the water already.. it sometimes has trouble starting right away, and the needles rattle loose after while so i have to tweak them... but for $200 w tank and line included, and $15 for carb kit... not bad

PPS now i'm worried what that evinrude gonna cost more to get running