1958 mfg

RMJ

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Just got this boat
registration says a 1958 MFg
Dont know much about it
Need help on how the interior should look
most of it was dissassembled and piled inside
Rick
 

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sphelps

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Re: 1958 mfg

Welcome aboard RMJ , if you can that boat back to original it,s gunna be sweet! Is the hull wood?
I don,t know much about it but I am sure some of the others here can help out.:)
S.P.
 

RMJ

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Re: 1958 mfg

The hull is molded fiberglass
Most of wood is mahogany
I have see some of these with the steering admidship . you sit on a ench seat and the front seat is foe passengers
I dont know if this one was altered to move steering up front. It is definately a later Teleflex system rather than the cable steering ususlly used on early boats

Thanks
Rick
 

SteveMFG_Oxford

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Re: 1958 mfg

Never saw an MFG with a windshield like that. If it is "factory" my guess is that it is older than 1958. The woodworking looks pretty good from the pictures. The cuts and fits are pretty nice. Perhaps this was a "custom" built boat or the windshield was added by a skilled owner. It certainly looks "lymanesque".

Never saw one with a bulkhead/seat combo like that either. Check the old ads at Fiberglassics.com and elsewhere for pics & info.

Look the wood over carefully. It may be usable with some repair.

After a good cleaning and sanding, a good penetrating coat of West System epoxy then varnish over may be enough to save it until time an budget allows for replacement. Get it dried out and put a cover on it. I got a cheap cover at Cabelas for $60.

Be careful though .. it's easy to invest way too much money in these "old girls" ! If you are doing it for YOU and not expecting to make money out of it, Go for it!

I've rehabbed a lot of boats. Take your time and cost estimates and double them. You might be close!! Good luck with it. I hope to see it here in its' finished condition. I'm sure it will look great!

My 1961 Oxford is about halfway complete. As soon as it warms up I'll get back to work.
 

adoseth

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Re: 1958 mfg

Hello and welcome RMJ, that's a rare boat indeed, i have never seen one with a deck and windshield like that,perhaps it has been modified but the hull does look like MFG. Like Sphelps i am not too familiar with that vintage either but others here are im sure, try Google searching 1958 MFG boat as see what comes up, you may get some pics of what it is supposed to look like
 

RMJ

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Re: 1958 mfg

Thanks guys
I have been looking at all the MFG info I can find and do not see anything with the same windshield. I have seen some Lymans with a similar design. It is well made and appears factory made
The boat is in my garage , drying out. I am removing rotted sections and duplicating with mahogany
Alot of the wood cleans up well with sanding.
All of the fiberglass was painted multiple times, so alot of stripping needed there
Appreciate the inputs
Rick
 

Jon Sob

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Hi RMJ ...... Welcome to iboats. Someone had sent this photo to me to show the interior of the older MFG's and as I look at it the windshield seems to be very close to yours. I don't know what year this boat is but I am going to see if I can find who sent this to me. This boat had a fiberglass hull as well.
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adoseth

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Re: 1958 mfg

Thats a really old license number on that boat VA 725 B , if it is like FL numbering system then that may either be the 1725th boat ever registered or 10,725th depending on if they rolled over the letters after 999 or 9999.I know that now it is after 9999 the roll a letter , but back then it may have been different
 

SteveMFG_Oxford

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Re: 1958 mfg

If you need a monsterous amount of paint stripping, consider soda blasting. You can rent units. Soda blasting is easy on the fiberglass and very effective on removing paint, scale and rust. It can even be used on wood in some instances. The beauty of soda is that it's less abrasive and leaves nothing behind when you are finished except the paint chips of course. The soda will melt away with water.

Talk to your nearest large equipment rental store for rates and supplies. You might be able to find someone with a mobile unit to come and strip it on your property. (Expensive??)

Don't bother with units from Eastwood or Harbor Freight unless you have access to a very large and powerful air compressor capable of a sustained air rate of 10 - 12 cfm.

Trying to strip these lapstrake style hulls is no fun. Especially with chemical stripper. If you can get the boat upside down it would be easier in my opinion.

I need to remove ugly bottom paint from mine and I am planning on soda blasting.
 

adoseth

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I have the same Ugly bottom paint on my hull too, im gonna research that soda blasting , i was going to try paint remover but i wasnt sure how it would react with the gelcoat on the hull
 

Jon Sob

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I bought this stuff at lowes and it works really well with no fumes ...... smells like oranges. I saw it on another thread and thought I would give it a try. I am kind of thinking he was stripping paint off of his hull but not really sure ... I don't remember what thread it was.
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RMJ

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Re: 1958 mfg

Thanks Jon,
I am glad to see another with the same type windshield.
I felt like mine was original from the way the woods matched
Appreciate it!
Rick
 

RMJ

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I know what you mean
I have stripped some of the interior and exterior and that paint is REALLY tough.
I have used chemical stripper and just sanding with a palm sander and it is going to take a very long time at this rate .
I am a little worried about going too deep and cutting into the fiberglass
Rick
 

SteveMFG_Oxford

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Re: 1958 mfg

Here is a video about soda blasting. My friend here in PA owns a large tool rental company. He tells me this is the way to go for cleaning paint from fiberglass.

Have a look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKiLPoABPb4&feature=related

Soda is not as aggressive as sand and does not generate heat like sand does. There are several "grits" of soda. When finished, soda, unlike sand, simply dissolves into the ground with water.

You need a lot of air, so renting is probably your best bet if the budget allows.
 

SteveMFG_Oxford

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Re: 1958 mfg

Could this possibly be an modified "ERIE" model equipped with a wood windshield?

Take a look at this photo ...

http://forums.fiberglassics.com/mfg/mfgb5602.jpg

What does the stern area look like? Got a photo?

You may just have a very early MFG that has been miss-titled as a 1958 ? It's possible.

My trailer is titled as a "homemade", 1990 but I know better. I found a document in a box of junk that came with the boat that shows its a COX trailer built in 1965. It even has a COX sticker on the back. Sometimes documentation gets messed up.
 

RMJ

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100_1155.jpg100_1173.jpgHi Steve

Could not open the pic , Is it in the Fiberglassic forum? I am a beginner at finding the right forums and using them

Here are 2 pictures of transom. Dont have one from outside at rear , will tahe one tomorrow and attach
Thanks for the interest
Rick
 

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Getting into the restoration. Finding alot of the wood that touched water is rotted . I think CPES treatment can save some of the gunnell and bow. Paint stripping has been a real bear. Found some stripper at Advance Auto that really works good. Tal-strip II by Mar-Hyde. It says not for wood or fiberglass but most other stuff does not touch the paint. This boat had about 6 coats so I am trying to take off only 4 to 5 and sand the last coat down to the gell coat. Some fibers showing , gell is probably almost gone.

I will need to buy some new Mahogany wood for repairs. No on here carrys it (Southport, NC) . May need to go to Raleigh or Charlotte
Bending some of the gunnell rail may be a trick . Anyone done that before??

Thats all for now , Will post more as progress goes on.

Rick
 

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I will need to buy some new Mahogany wood for repairs. No on here carries it (Southport, NC) . May need to go to Raleigh or Charlotte
Bending some of the gunnell rail may be a trick . Anyone done that before??

Thats all for now , Will post more as progress goes on.

Rick

Rick
Any GOOD lumber yard (not a big box store)should be able to order it for you. Also try a woodworking or furniture shop. Take a good sample with you for proper identification. There are several different kinds of mahogany. Hope that helps
 

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....I will need to buy some new Mahogany wood for repairs. No on here carrys it (Southport, NC) . May need to go to Raleigh or Charlotte...Bending some of the gunnell rail may be a trick . Anyone done that before??

Bending: Steaming is remarkably less effective once the wood has been dried - especially kiln dried. The cells actually undergo a change after drying- that is why most all bent wood is created using "green" wood in the steamer. Merely soaking the wood will not restore the same bendable properties, either- it just weakens the wood. Steaming works by actually softening the binding components of the natural wood allowing them to "slide" past each other. When cooled the bent wood retains its shape because the binders have returned to a solid condition. Bending wood is pretty cool- you start to apply force and the hot wood resists you and then you almost feel the binders "letting go" and the wood bends feeling almost like a piece metal with a little bit of spring-back. Then you wedge it to a form for cooling and drying and once cooled it holds its shape.

Mahogany is not that friendly to steaming anyway. I would suggest try a narrow strip (3/4x3/4) ripped on a table saw to see if it can be "dry" bent to conform to the shape you need. Bronze, brass, or even stainless screws can be countersunk periodically to provide a mechanical joint. If 3/4 width proves too difficult, 3/8 wide by 3/4 tall (or 5/4 if that will be your stock) can be bent much more easily. Then you laminate several jointed strips together to get the shape and size you need. After epoxy/glue/whatever sets you can countersink, apply screws, plug the holes, and plane flush.

You *can* use a 3/8 wide piece of your material as a batten to lay a scribe line on the deck pieces and then (if you have the skill and tools) hand plane it to the shape. Follow that by laying up the perimeter pieces that will make the bend and glue with waterproof glue (you can use epoxy) and then plane the surface flush with a smooth plane. If you are good with templating an electric router can be used to cut the deck to shape and then apply several strips smoothed on a jointer to build it up- you can even use a router to groove the edge and then make the first applied piece with a tongue to fit and waterproof glue it for a little more durability insurance.

(***I laid up a skiff gunnel piece once with 5/4 dried oak ripped to 7/16. Several layups with a rabbet to fit over the strakes of the hull and epoxy with a whole lot of clamps made a nearly undetectable joint. I used an air pinner with brads to "help" and relocated a few clamps. The pin-holes got filled with a tan filler and after varnish they were not noticeable. Use the straightest-grained wood you have to make the pieces and when glued up the glue line visually disappears after you plane it flush and sand it. In this case I used 5-min epoxy but there are better choices- although mine worked out just fine. The clear epoxy when cured takes on the color of the wood and looks like a darker grain line if your joints are smooth and tight. You want the joints pretty tight but not so tight that you force out all the epoxy or glue.)

Can't wait until pictures load again...
 
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Here are a couple more of the interior , I have stripped to the bottom . The wood boards on the inside that bolt thru to the keel will all have to be replaced. Not too difficult , nothing fancy just 3 boards , each a little smalled , stacked on top of rach other to hide bolts
 
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