1959 Evinrude 18 Fastwin ALMOST right...Help, anyone?

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Hi guys, newbie here. I recently bought a boat with a 1959 Evinrude 18 hp Fastwin on it. It was only firing on one cylinder at the time and the previous owner had just spent $350 on repairs. They had installed new points, condensers, coils, and possibly a carb kit, from what I'm seeing. Still not firing on bottom hole. Here's a list of things I've done: One coil was slightly loose and had moved enough to graze the flywheel magnet. I clearanced and tightened it down; points were gapped at .025-.026. Regapped to .020. Checked compression and got 90-95 psi on both holes. Of course I've been through several sets of plugs in a couple hours run time and playing with it. Currently running J4C or J6C. Also tried
J8C. Figured out spark plug wire was being piched between a bracket and timing advance mechanism and keeping me from opening throttle completely. Moved it. I then went to clean spark plug threads to ensure that plugs were able to ground properly to head and fire consistently when I noticed the bottom hole is stripped. I pulled the head and cleaned it, the cylinder and top of pistons and relubed. Helicoiled threads and punched well with spreader to ensure they dont move in or out. Now firing on both holes and runs MUCH better. Here's the tricky part. Took it out and tried it expecting great things and it is better but still doesn't go over 10 MPH on a 15' jon boat. Timing light shows fire on both cylinders and plugs look the same for both now, so I know I fixed the dead miss. But I noticed the carb is flooding and pouring gas out when trimmed up. Also uses WAAAAAY too much fuel due to the waste. Once I got this second hole firing, I noticed the pressure fed gas tank has excessive pressure on it and figured it's pushing too much fuel to the carb. Confirmed it by bleeding some pressure off tank while coming in yesterday, and the thing jumped up on top of the water and ran 25 MPH or so for about a mile to the ramp. I must have too much crankcase pressure, or is there some way the crankcase regulates it with a positive crankcase pressure valve or something? Should the tank vent at a certain pressure? I don't think piston rings are bad, and I pulled carb today. Needle and seat look fine, as well as float. All looks new. I also pulled reed valves and cleaned them. Also checked the rubber check valve assembly and cleaned. I did notice there is another reed valve looking piece on the left side- one small brass strip that appears to vent crankcase pressure back toward the intake manifold??? It had red paint chip under it, holding it open and I removed, cleaned, and reinstalled it. Any ideas what that piece is or what it does? And could it cause it, or am I missing something? I know for a fact that I have too much pressure on the tank and relieving it stops the flooding and sends me flying down the river. Would back pressure on the exhaust system cause crankcase pressure? Someone who knows will find this simple, but I'm a compressor mechanic, not an outboard guy. Thanks for the help! Sorry so long!
 

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So the PO spent $350 on repairs and got shafted? That's what it sounds like to me. I wonder how many shots of tequila he drank, when he installed the coils. LOL

That little chip of red paint you found, is the coating from inside the manifold. The inside of the block is coated with this stuff too.

It sounds like your carb is not quite right, if it's running way too rich. It may still have a float issue. Your needles should be set at 1 1/2 turns out, on the low speed and 3/4 out on the high speed. Once you get it out on the water, you can turn the high speed down slightly, to smoothe out the operation. That motor has the thermostat, so the low speed setting will be different, from cold to warm.
 

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So the PO spent $350 on repairs and got shafted? That's what it sounds like to me. I wonder how many shots of tequila he drank, when he installed the coils. LOL

That little chip of red paint you found, is the coating from inside the manifold. The inside of the block is coated with this stuff too.

It sounds like your carb is not quite right, if it's running way too rich. It may still have a float issue. Your needles should be set at 1 1/2 turns out, on the low speed and 3/4 out on the high speed. Once you get it out on the water, you can turn the high speed down slightly, to smoothe out the operation. That motor has the thermostat, so the low speed setting will be different, from cold to warm.

Yeah, he got screwed. I can see where that paint chip came from, but what does that small strip reed valve on the far left do? Also, is the low speed the top and high speed the bottom? Any ideas on excess crankcase/ gas tank pressure?
 

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The top is the slow speed and the bottom is the high speed. Pop off the linkage from the needle and get the motor to idle good. Then re-attach the linkage at a good centralized postion. For cold start, you'll probably need to open the low speed a little bit, then close it back down once it gets warmed up.

The little reed valve you're referring to, is most likely the valve to pressurize the tank and I wouldn't worry about that. I don't believe pressure is your issue. Your float level probably needs to be set correctly.
 

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The top is the slow speed and the bottom is the high speed. Pop off the linkage from the needle and get the motor to idle good. Then re-attach the linkage at a good centralized postion. For cold start, you'll probably need to open the low speed a little bit, then close it back down once it gets warmed up.

The little reed valve you're referring to, is most likely the valve to pressurize the tank and I wouldn't worry about that. I don't believe pressure is your issue. Your float level probably needs to be set correctly.

Ok. How do I set the float level? I didn't realize it was adjustable. I'm learning as I go on some of this. Thanks for the help.
 

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You will need to remove the carb and remove the bottom from it. With it turned upside down, you should have the float perfectly parallel with the top of the carb.
 

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The little reed valve is the crankcase drain--drains off fuel that settles in the bottom of the crankcase. Where does it go??? Yep, into the lake. Sorry 'bout that, you people that care.

It is impossible to have too much tank pressure unless somebody has defeated the presure relief valve in the tank top. Normal pressure is about 4-5psi, which is all the motor's crankcase can produce. If it floods and runs rich at that pressure, there is something wrong with the carburetor's float of float valve, or the carburetor bowl vent may be plugged.

Maybe I missed it in the long story, but I don't remember seeing what the compression is. Maybe that missing cylinder is dead or low?
 

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You will need to remove the carb and remove the bottom from it. With it turned upside down, you should have the float perfectly parallel with the top of the carb.

I noticed that it seemed to be parallel with top of carb when upside down while I had it off yesterday. I didn't look too hard, so not sure about perfectly parallel. But very close if not. I may have to re-examine if it comes to that
 

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The little reed valve is the crankcase drain--drains off fuel that settles in the bottom of the crankcase. Where does it go??? Yep, into the lake. Sorry 'bout that, you people that care.

It is impossible to have too much tank pressure unless somebody has defeated the presure relief valve in the tank top. Normal pressure is about 4-5psi, which is all the motor's crankcase can produce. If it floods and runs rich at that pressure, there is something wrong with the carburetor's float of float valve, or the carburetor bowl vent may be plugged.

Maybe I missed it in the long story, but I don't remember seeing what the compression is. Maybe that missing cylinder is dead or low?

Ok. Thanks for info on crankcase drain. That had me Puzzled.

I looked for a pressure relief on the tank and couldn't find anything. Is it built into the cap or something? Is that rubber seat in the cap spring loaded and enough pressure forces it up allowing it to vent from that hole in the side of cap? Also- what if I had blow by on a cylinder with 90-95 psi? Then it's easily possible to exceed 5 psi crankcase Pressure if we aren't venting properly. I deal with pressures every day and I didnt have a gauge on the tank but it sounded like 10- 15 psi when you open the tank lid. Where is the carb vent? I think it's fine because I think that's where all excess gas is pouring out.

I have 90-95 psi on both cylinders. I no longer have a miss after gapping points, tightening coil, and heli-coiling bottom hole.
 

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Have you tried a different tank/line to rule all that out?

I like to set the floats parallel, but slightly higher, just slightly on the unhinged side to ensure the valve seats when the float bowl is full.
 

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The little reed valve is the crankcase drain--drains off fuel that settles in the bottom of the crankcase. Where does it go??? Yep, into the lake. Sorry 'bout that, you people that care.

AH HAH!! That's why the environmentalist hate us running these oldies. :D:D
 

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'sinking' float? That'd cause it.

Also, before remounting assembled carb, blow into the fuel inlet (carb upright). Air should go through. Turn carb upside-down and blow through inlet again. NO air should go through.
 

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AH HAH!! That's why the environmentalist hate us running these oldies. :D:D

Alot of the guys in my area are modifying their motors with an oil recovery system. I am doing it on by big twins. Youd be surprised how much you catch!
 

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Ok. Thanks for info on crankcase drain. That had me Puzzled.

I looked for a pressure relief on the tank and couldn't find anything. Is it built into the cap or something? Is that rubber seat in the cap spring loaded and enough pressure forces it up allowing it to vent from that hole in the side of cap? Also- what if I had blow by on a cylinder with 90-95 psi? Then it's easily possible to exceed 5 psi crankcase Pressure if we aren't venting properly. I deal with pressures every day and I didnt have a gauge on the tank but it sounded like 10- 15 psi when you open the tank lid. Where is the carb vent? I think it's fine because I think that's where all excess gas is pouring out.

I have 90-95 psi on both cylinders. I no longer have a miss after gapping points, tightening coil, and heli-coiling bottom hole.

Items # 30, 31, 32 make up the relief valve. Since you deal with pressures every day, you know how it works. As for blow-by, you say it is holding compression, so I don't think that's it. Besides, I have never heard of such a thing in all my years as an outboard mechanic.

You need to run that thing on one cylinder at a time (by grounding one plug wire), and see if they put out equal power.

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Ok everyone, thanks for the help. Still fighting it. I bought a carb kit and installed it, which was a good thing since some of the seals were cracked and it was flooding. This way I know I have the right needle and seat, etc. Also changed one spark plug wire since it looked original. Regapped points, as it seems one of them moved and was gapped at only .010 or so. Also tried to wire up ignition shut down wire to button after checking continuity of button open and closed. All good. Wired from the screw on the points where condensor and primary coil wire hook up and tied them together. Then wired the other side of the button to ground. Changed spark plugs and no fire when I tried to start. Figured out fairly quickly that tying the two wires together was a stupid move because the two coils were then tied together. Cut the wire and started firing. Started engine, but it is missing and running like crap. Smoking badly, runs a while and dies. I think the carb just needed a kit, and overpressuring probably isn't the issue, but I have a firing problem now. If points close the gap too close and run like that, will it arc out and ruin them? I ohmed out coils- primary 7.35K ohms, secondary- 1 ohm. I really appreciate all this help.
 

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Re: 1959 Evinrude 18 Fastwin ALMOST right...Help, anyone?

Thanks, KFA. I got her running in a trash can plenty deep. Thanks
 
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