1959 Glasscat Catamaran Project Underway.

Monterey Dreams

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Re: 1959 Glasscat Catamaran Project Underway.

Wow Bill, I am uber impressed! I would have never guessed that in a million years. I actually have a little kicker motor but I could not figure out how to attach the steering to it either :facepalm::facepalm:?.maybe I will keep it on for now and see what happens closer to splash.
Thanks for solving that mystery. Dave:D
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I PM?ed you back already.
 

Yamikaze

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Re: 1959 Glasscat Catamaran Project Underway.

Hi Dave, Glad to hear you are getting some work done. Also glad to hear you still have all of your fingers. The thought of the motor coming down unexpectedly and your hands is the wrong place at the right time is scary to say the least. I immediately thought of someone I know on a motorcycle board that decided to clean the drive chain with a rag and the bike on the center stand with the motor running and in gear. He lost three fingers. He was a young guy still in his teens. Tough lesson to learn the hard way.
I don't think I would get to worried about the box on the hull. Take a close look at it,if it looks like it could leak seal it. If not leave it alone. That thing on the lower unit is another puzzler. I would take it off and see what is underneath it. Not sure where the water intake is for cooling the motor, but it might have been put there for storing or test running the motor. If there is an inlet under there make sure you keep it off when you put the boat in the water.
Keep us posted on what you find.

John

Edit: I was not on this page when I wrote my post. I bet Bill is right about a link for a kicker motor.
 

Monterey Dreams

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Hey John
I just checked out your thread. The photos of your dock look bleak and grim to be sure. It was almost seventy here during the afternoon. We are going to be in major drought if we don?t get some rain soon; but it has been the best ?winter? I can ever recall. It is depressing to me (knowing that if my boat was ready I could be at the water this last weekend).
I am very lucky (God must have been watching out for me that time) and it is a horrible lesson your friend learned.

For today;
my wife had a whole list of honeydoos for me today before I could run out to the boat. In the end, I only ended up working on her for about 4 hours. I got the steering wheel installed and working properly. I created a Frankenstein steering system. The cat had originally part of an old Teleflex steering system. The wheel looked awful (see 1st photos of boat from earlier in the year). The donor boat had the old pulley and wire version. My grandfather told me to keep the Teleflex because it is a much better system so that is what I did. I cut the old steering wheel off (because I could not figure out how to get the silly thing to release). Then I took the wheel from the donor and hammered it down onto the Teleflex shaft. It was a very tight fit. After that I drilled a hole through one side of the steering wheel base and then through the rod and out the other side of the steering wheel. I then ran a bolt down through the wheel and shaft and torqued it down with a nut and a couple of washers. Just to be on the safe side I also mixed up a huge batch of jb weld (superglue) and filled the entire top portion of the wheel and rod with glue. To seal it up mainly. Since I no longer had the original threaded steering rod from the old boat, I JB?ed (glued) the chrome deco cap to the steering wheel. I did this so if I ever needed to remove it I can break JB free with a hammer. Jb should keep the cap in place there is no pressure on it at all.
QUESTION: I ran the Teleflex around to the motor and did a little temp attachment to the motor; how do you set up the portion of the telescoping rod near the motor?

Attached it would only turn the motor one way, and then completely back to the other way on the wheel would only bring the motor back to center and not all the way to the other side. I?m sure it must be easy to fix but I did not have much time to play with it was getting dark.

I polished the chrome portion and the wheel with mothers aluminum polish. It brought out the shine a little. I will work on it more later, for now I am happy to have a steering wheel again.
The wheel cover itself was hard to find the style has been almost completely discontinued here in my area and it took much searching to find this one. The only colors were black and this beige color, I chose the beige so it would stand out against my darker wood stain.
I am happy with the result; I think it looks good ?nuff.
C-ya
Dave:D
Here is photos of completed splash well work.
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Monterey Dreams

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Here are photos of todays steering wheel work.
 

Monterey Dreams

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Ezmobee guessed that the little metal box might be for an old depth finder, I found this on the boat the other day. It is not connected to anything. The wires for power are there (not connected to anything) but the cable to the ?little box? was gone. (maybe down in hull) who knows. It would be nice to get this one working (for age appearance, it looks very old to me, but I am not going to hold my breath).
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boatnut74

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Re: 1959 Glasscat Catamaran Project Underway.

^^^ That's pretty neat. If you could get that working that would be pretty sweet. I found a depth finder up in the cabin of my boat the other day as well. I don't believe it's as old as yours though and I didn't find any of the cables or wiring for it either.
 

Willyclay

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QUESTION: I ran the Teleflex around to the motor and did a little temp attachment to the motor; how do you set up the portion of the telescoping rod near the motor? Attached it would only turn the motor one way, and then completely back to the other way on the wheel would only bring the motor back to center and not all the way to the other side

The link below will show you some but not all the various parts/pieces needed to connect the steering cable to your motor.

http://www.iboats.com/Teleflex-Stee...32665428--**********.422294927--view_id.47748

The choice between SS or not is a big one for saltwater boaters. Since you will trailer the boat and wash it down after each outing, it may not be an issue. The part called "support tube" is needed to provide a clamping point for the cable without crushing it. It screws into the big nut on the end of the cable. The "clamp block" is designed to be mounted on the transom and the support tube is clamped into it AFTER you have established the center-point of movement of the telescopic ram end of the cable. Once clamped, you should have full movement of the motor in both directions. In your first picture, the piece of angle material bolted to your transom looks like a DIY version of the clamp block that possibly could use standard hardware cable clamps on the support tube since I know $$$$$ is an issue.

The piece that is not shown in the link is a bracket that bolts to the motor's carrying handle and provides a tiller arm for the steeriing system. I will look for a link or picture of that item and post it later. It is essentially a heavy-duty piece of SS angle with a backing plate. The connection between the the tiller arm bracket and the telescopic ram is a clevis kit that prevents the steering from binding during the full range of tilt and turns. I will search for more info on this issue since I went through the same thing on my first boat.

By the way, the steering wheel looks great!
 

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Hi Dave, Glad to hear you are getting some work done. Also glad to hear you still have all of your fingers. The thought of the motor coming down unexpectedly and your hands is the wrong place at the right time is scary to say the least. I immediately thought of someone I know on a motorcycle board that decided to clean the drive chain with a rag and the bike on the center stand with the motor running and in gear. He lost three fingers. He was a young guy still in his teens. Tough lesson to learn the hard way.
I don't think I would get to worried about the box on the hull. Take a close look at it,if it looks like it could leak seal it. If not leave it alone. That thing on the lower unit is another puzzler. I would take it off and see what is underneath it. Not sure where the water intake is for cooling the motor, but it might have been put there for storing or test running the motor. If there is an inlet under there make sure you keep it off when you put the boat in the water.
Keep us posted on what you find.

John

Edit: I was not on this page when I wrote my post. I bet Bill is right about a link for a kicker motor.

That is a kicker motor linkage connector. I bought one for one of my older fishing boats to connect the kicker motor to the main, for steering purposes. They are nice systems to use when trolling (fishing) and dont want to use the main engine. The same bracket would also be on the kicker motor, with a rigid connecting rod, the systems is designed to be a quick snap type thing for using/not using it. Mechanical 100% and there is nothing under it. Hope this helps, Greeny
 

Cowboyup94

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if you cant use the depth finder i wouldnt get rid of it. hang it in the boat or cut out a hole in a counter top (i think you mentioned something about how your going to put in a kitchen) so stick it in the hole and put a piece of plexi glass over it and make it flush with the counter. It would be a cool little fixture like the colored glass and light fixture you put in. Also i tried to google it but could only find little to no information.
 

sqbtr

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Re: 1959 Glasscat Catamaran Project Underway.

My '69 came with a similar depth finder, it has a sun shield over the display and it still works. The transducer doesn't look anything like what you have mounted to your hull though. I'll snap some pics next time I climb up there.
 

Monterey Dreams

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Thank you everybody for your knowledge and your support. I am really very appreciative of it.
Bill: Thank you for your link, now I know what to look for. I will take a few photos of the end of my Teleflex. I think it has some sort of tube/ protector. There is also a big black ball that I think is DIY also. Basically you are correct the bracket where the cable was mounted to was connected with horseshoe bolts and nuts. Thanks again (I sent you the email before I read this posting by the way).
Boatnut: let?s see a photo of yours that you found.
Greeny: Thank you for your help. Between you and Bill (and everybody else also) I am sure you all are correct. I am going to leave it on for now maybe I can find a suitable component for the kicker that I have.
Cowboy: I am not going to chuck it out; if I can?t get it to work maybe I can do what you suggested. It seems a shame to just toss out something so old (older than me at any rate).
How?s School? You back from winter break? I started my new semester at City College again today.
Sqbtr: Please snap a photo when you can, I would like to search for it. I don?t understand the statement you made?. ?I'll snap some pics next time I climb up there.? What do you mean by up, shouldn?t the transducer be underside of the boat?
Thanks again everybody. I am really humbled by the interest/friendship you have all shown to me. I thank you all. Please keep in touch.
Goodnight,
Dave :D
 

sqbtr

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My transducer is shoot through the hull, so I have to climb up in the boat to get a pic.
 

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Dave, the only info/pictures I could fiind to describe what is needed to connect your steering system to your motor is actually for OMC motors of 40HP and below. The one for the V4's is bigger, thicker material but mounts the same way. I'll keep looking but hopefully this attachment helps.
 
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Monterey Dreams

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Hi Everybody,
Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate it. Well here is how things stand today. I have a very close friend (long story short) whom was one of my best friends in my adolescence. I made his acquaintance when I was about 14. From about 14 to 24 I was never far from his home. He and his family ?adopted? me so to speak and I became like one of his kids (I am around the same age as them). I had a great friendship with the whole family (kids and adults) at once. Well to make a long story short (to late) I sort of drifted away when I got married so that even though I would call periodically I always felt ashamed that I did not spend time with them the way I used to. I used to spend holidays with them etc. My friend used to own 4 boat shops (and he was the dealer of many brands like Sanger, Boston Whaler, etc.). Today I got time off to go work on the boat and while I was driving out to the old neighborhood, I thought about him and decided the boat could wait and I decided to go for a little visit, I turned into a whole day excursion. I remember growing up and he was always complaining to me (while working on boat motors in his driveway) about he was always working on other peoples stuff at his house (for free). So I never told him about my little boat project, especially since I have had such a prolonged absence and I never wanted him to think that I only want his boat expertise. Well today I was a little nervous showing back up at his house (he is retired now so he is home all the time now?.the lucky dog). Nervous is an understatement, I almost drove past his house without stopping. Well I did and I got to tell you it was like I was a little boy again. I had a great time and it was like not even a moment has gone by that we were separated.
Later on in the afternoon as I was getting ready to leave he walked me outside in preparation to my departure. When we got outside he showed me a little 14 foot tinny that he had got at some point during my absence. I actually found it funny in the whole time I knew him he never had a boat. He talked about how his now adult son had wanted to take grandpa and (his) brand new grandchild fishing as their bonding thing?..so he ran out and got a sweet little tinny with a nice 20 merc on the back.
I kind of forgot my boat secret and told him about the running joke around here about the rivets and socially acceptable and easier to get girls into etc. properties of the tinny. At that point he wanted to know why I was on a boat forum site and my secret was out.
He immediately wanted to go to my parents and see my boat. So we jumped into his truck and ran over. During the drive over when I told him about the whole not wanting to bother him etc, he told me those comments were not for me. (And I think he was a little hurt that I did not bring it to him first).
His exact words were ?my boat was really cute? and that it would be good for running around the delta (sturgeon fishing). I thought that was a good comment coming from him (back in the day he sold 6 million in sales every year). He looked at my motor and told me that this was one of the first motors he ever worked on and then proceeded to go over my motor appraising it.
THE GOOD::D He wants to teach me how to fix this motor (his comment was he is going to be the elder statesman and I the younger?.I take it he is going to tell me what to do and I do it while he watches) he said something about his body does not bend any more.
Also good he has about 300 K worth of old OMC/Merc parts in his storage yards (including a huge library of the shop manuals that his guys used to use) and he thinks he has everything we need to get her running?..FOR FREE!!!! I told him about the motor mount Bill was talking about and the barrels/ throttle cable ends that I could not find for the control cables. Those he told me he can get from a friend who is still in the business (and who owes him many big favors?.also for free, if he did not have them in storage).
We went digging in his garage, sheer pins, water pump kits, gaskets, points and condensers were a few of the things we found right off the bat.
The BAD::mad: He began instructing me today by having me drain the lower unit oil, I don?t think it looked like oil; it looked more like peanut butter. There was water in there. But the bolts/screws did not have gaskets so he said water to have gotten there by that alone. He also had me stick my fingers in the goop and rub it between my hands feeling for metal shavings. No shavings were found and when I removed the lower screw there was no shavings down there also. He had me take the prop off, and remove the fishing line that was bound up behind the prop. The sheer pin was still there. We could not get the transmission to engage (so he told me we may have to rebuild the whole lower end but he would not know until we dropped the lower end and had it laid out in the driveway).
In the end he wants me to bring the boat to his house Sunday and we are really going to tear into it then. This of course makes me very happy but what even makes me happier was that I found out I still had a friend that I thought I lost. :D:D:D
What I crew I am going to have on my maiden splash; myself, and my three best friends (who are all grandpa?s now). One gave me the stained glass in the door. One stood in the sun and helped me seal wooden decks, and now one who is going to help me rebuild the motor. And all are busy dreaming with me of the trips we are going to take together.
Sorry about the long post guys,
But I had a lot to share.
Dave
 

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Hi Dave, Glad to hear you got back in touch with an old friend. I lost touch with everyone I went to school with after I graduated. Sounds like you are well on your way to getting the motor up and running :D. Boat mechanics are expensive, It sounds like he would be happy with a fishing trip for payment. Wish I could find one like that :)
 

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Sounds like great news!!!! Always nice to have a guru to show you the way and free is ALWAYS good. Keep us posted!
 

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Hi everybody,
Of course I will keep you posted. Just because I am happy to have old friends does not mean I am going to abandon the new ones either. Without you all I never would have done this at all:D!
I appreciate all of your kind words (and criticisms when I am way off the mark:D). I want to get one little tidbit out there also. Just because I have found one guru locally doesn?t mean I am going to ignore the hundreds of gurus (and not so gurus; who are still knowledgeable as hell by the way) here, he is the first to tell me he has probably forgotten much!

Goodnight
Dave:D
 

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Glad to hear your friend and you are back together. Better yet a good friend to teach you things. Everyone here can explain it verbally and with pictures. But hands on learning is by far the easiest way to learn. Lucky for you! ahaha As for school we've been back to school since january 2nd. nice COLD 3 day break this weekend, then finals, then next wednesday off! thank the lord!:rolleyes:
 

GT1000000

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Wow Dave, that is the coolest and most heartwarming tale I have yet heard here...

Absolutely awe inspiring story of old friends reunited!

I am actually at a loss for words to describe how I feel for you, that is just...

Well, freekin Great!

If you ever have your buddy stop by the forum and visit, tell him he is a true inspiration to all of us by offering to help one of our own...

May your first splash, and all that follow, be full of laughter and joy by all who participate...

Godspeed and many Blessings
 
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