1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

[jbcurt00]

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IM, your welcome.

Part2 of that post:
If I was skinning a boat w/ teak-like plywood, I'd probably want the inlaid look:

W/ any color, black, white, of-white, cream inlay, I'd run the plywood thru a table saw & make a kerf to mimic the inlay. After sealing the wood, I'd carefully sand the inside of the kerf to roughen the finish. Mask the 'teak' that shows, and run SikaFlex polyurethane caulk (available in many colors) in the kerfs. If you don't mask the 'good' wood, you run the risk of getting SikaFlex in the pores/grain of the wood. That halo stain won't come out, esp if it's SikaFlex.

That's essentially the way wood boats are done if you aren't actually using real plank teak w/ holly inlays.

 

[barato2]

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i'm a huge fan of real wood and love your idea. but this might be the easiest way to do it and have it both adhere and continue to look good for years: Lonseal Lonwood SE Marine Flooring

 

[InMotion]

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IM, your welcome.

Part2 of that post:
If I was skinning a boat w/ teak-like plywood, I'd probably want the inlaid look:

W/ any color, black, white, of-white, cream inlay, I'd run the plywood thru a table saw & make a kerf to mimic the inlay. After sealing the wood, I'd carefully sand the inside of the kerf to roughen the finish. Mask the 'teak' that shows, and run SikaFlex polyurethane caulk (available in many colors) in the kerfs. If you don't mask the 'good' wood, you run the risk of getting SikaFlex in the pores/grain of the wood. That halo stain won't come out, esp if it's SikaFlex.

That's essentially the way wood boats are done if you aren't actually using real plank teak w/ holly inlays.

Hey JB,

You may find this interesting.... the plan is to use 3/8" thick t and g cedar --- with no white/cream inlay!

I was planning on having 3/8" ply under the cedar. With the two layered together, this should give sufficient strength and lightness. Because I am essentially covering the bow, gunwales and behind the rear seats only(!!), there isn't all that much wood weight. These boats as we all know have a large cockpit area. Even for the size of this boat, I expect there to be no issue handling the weight. That's the theory anyway!

I like your idea though with the plywood! That is a cool idea with the pu caulk/plywood.

Ahhh.... like many fellow iboaters.... things are subject to change!

B2 --- that's cool stuff.... didn't even know it existed! That's why I hang out here... I learn something new everyday!

J.

 

[jbcurt00]

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I'd still be concerned about the expansion across the bow if the cedar is flat sawn. If you have access to the miller or are doing it yourself, no problem getting it rift or quarter sawn.

BTW: The bow does have some crown, T&G won't draw tight along the topside 'seam' on a curve, unless you're really only doing a half-lap joint: Basically the top 2/3" of a T&G joint:

Else the 3/8" T&G mounted w/ 3/8" ply sounds good.

That's 3/4" total ^^^. Is the same layup planned for the transom, the impetuous for the questions.....

Bound along the outer edge by brightwork could hide the 3/4" thickness, but I'm not sure how you'd attach it w/ a double row of rivets.....

 

[Jeepcollector91]

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I say ditch the outboard and rob the jet drive from someones cosmetically deteriorated waverunner.
Maybe even a newer 4-stroke one. (Thats my next plan for the '66 Jupiter)

 

[jasoutside]

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More hijacking and OB hazing, love it:heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:

 

[barato2]

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i actually think that jet-drive plan would be a blast with the right boat.....but the "right" boat for that would be something like an old barrelback, and i'd hate to cut one up.

 

[InMotion]

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I'd still be concerned about the expansion across the bow if the cedar is flat sawn. If you have access to the miller or are doing it yourself, no problem getting it rift or quarter sawn.

BTW: The bow does have some crown, T&G won't draw tight along the topside 'seam' on a curve, unless you're really only doing a half-lap joint: Basically the top 2/3" of a T&G joint:

Else the 3/8" T&G mounted w/ 3/8" ply sounds good.

That's 3/4" total ^^^. Is the same layup planned for the transom, the impetuous for the questions.....

Bound along the outer edge by brightwork could hide the 3/4" thickness, but I'm not sure how you'd attach it w/ a double row of rivets.....

Ya... no doubt there JB.... I think that this will be a bit of an experiment... just like the paint stripping and polishing and for that matter what all of us do, rebuilding a boat! I here what you are sayin' though... but the boards are not wide. So the issue of drawing tight may be not so much of an issue.

Outer edge with brightwork is kinda what I was thinking.... but gotta see what we are into. But first of course is experimenting with the engine. Truth is that I never trailer with the engine all the way up even in the water.... not supposed to be good for the floats in the engine. Alas, it will be a bit of trial and error here.

Really though, the outstanding issue is still how to deal with the transom.... so I will take a look at the engine tomorrow and see what is what.

J.

 

[InMotion]

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I say ditch the outboard and rob the jet drive from someones cosmetically deteriorated waverunner.
Maybe even a newer 4-stroke one. (Thats my next plan for the '66 Jupiter)

Weirdly... I had originally considered that! But just didn't have the vegetables to try it on this boat! Perhaps a later one.... we'll see.

J.

 

[dozerII]

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Okay Jim you have had enough time to polish her, lets see what you have now.

 

[InMotion]

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Okay Jim you have had enough time to polish her, lets see what you have now.

Uhhhh ya.... xmas time and all ya know! Did get some work done... but we are experiencing this...



It's looking decent though:









I am about 2/3rds done the hull on one side. If power holds out, tomorrow am I will get out for some more. I figure I will be able to finish it up by next weekend!

Took a look at the motor and the situation.... so the distance from top of the transom to the top of the curve I plan on making is +- 10".... so... with the motor set back 4", It won't tilt much that's for sure. I'm thinking that there will have to be some sort of opening for motor to tilt into. More to come as I do a mock up in the next few weeks once the motor is flipped.

Have a great Sunday folks!

Jim

 

[jbcurt00]

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More to come as I do a mock up in the next few weeks once the motor is flipped.

All you got going on and you still have time to juggle outboards?

Hull looks great shiny

 

[InMotion]

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All you got going on and you still have time to juggle outboards?

Hull looks great shiny

Ooops. Ya... boat! I'll be flippin' the boat!!

 

[dozerII]

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Polish is looking real good from here Jim, what's your opinion from ring side? Boy have you guys been getting hammered out there. I hope you're all ok and still have power.

 

[InMotion]

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Polish is looking real good from here Jim, what's your opinion from ring side? Boy have you guys been getting hammered out there. I hope you're all ok and still have power.

We still have power.... but man it looked like a war zone/stunning with the sun on all the iced trees etc! Depends on your perspective I suppose.... but we thought all day we would loose it as it was flickering. Lost some tree branches, but we were just far enough north that Sat eve's ice event became an ice and ice pellet event. Less acretion means we still have power!

Thanks for checkin' in man!

J.

 

[GA_Boater]

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IM - Ya know before I open a new post post from you, I've started to slip on my auto darkening welding mask. I save my retinas that way.

But no new shiny tin pics today, just talk of foul, icy winter weather. Yuck - Glad you still have power no damage!

 

[InMotion]

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Hey fellas....

Ok, got out and did some work this morning... some things went well.... one thing went shall we say interestingly!

First up... I am going to Terentino this... good news is that the boat is polished and sealed and flipped and I started to do some visualizations in my "Canuk Contemplation Room"...





Gonna take some more thought. Really thinking about whether I actually ever tilt the motor --- sounds strange.... but I really never do with my current boat and my folks boats! That said it is going to take some time to hash this out and "contemplate" things!

Got two vid's processing ---- 1 as a recap of the last 2 months and the other a Canuk version of how to flip a boat by yourself.... as you can "visualize" it gets shall we say interesting! Yes... like Glen's attempt, it has it's up's and downs! I'll post them up when they are done!

Have a great day everyone...

Jim

 

[jbcurt00]

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When you trailer the boat, you leave the OB motor down?

W/out a transom saver brace, I guess it'd be better to trailer motor down, to have the weight hanging down rather then as a torque arm at the transom, but doesn't that risk the skeg?

Looking forward to the vids

 

[InMotion]

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When you trailer the boat, you leave the OB motor down?

W/out a transom saver brace, I guess it'd be better to trailer motor down, to have the weight hanging down rather then as a torque arm at the transom, but doesn't that risk the skeg?

Looking forward to the vids

Ya... I use a transom saver.... but I would be able to tilt the motor somewhat --- just not to full lock up. I never have trailered that way anyway. Skeg would be above the bottom of the boat partially up. My trailer is pretty high up.... so it isn't in danger of hitting the road with it partially up.

Gotta do some mock ups with the motor in the garage.

J.

 

[astor]

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looking forward to the video of the Canuk boat flip by yourself.