1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

[jasoutside]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

IM, progress is awesome man!

 

[GA_Boater]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

What - No pics of spar drying? Get the backup S/W drainage fixed. It was fugly! And a PODI.*










*Prior Owner Dumb Idea.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Hey Guys,

Thanks a bunch!

Ok... so put the floor back in this morn... so I thought I'd try the "no squeak" solution of putting a layer of plastic down... except me had a tiny problem... I have no plastic! So, necessity as they say is the mother of something... so I laid down some heavy duty garbage bags (neatly) over the floatation and then put the floor down! Bingo... almost completely squeak free without the floor even being riveted! I am trying to think of whether this has any ramifications from a rot perspective.... thoughts/opinions welcomed here...



Installed the rest of the floor pieces and then sparred the bow triangle that I had ooops forgot in the boat when I put it outside...


Then I sparred the transom again for 3 good coats...


I decided to fix the silly drain hole issue whereby (JB pointed out it was a "prior owner dumb idea") the PO decided in his wisdom to drill 1 large and 1 small hole in the bottom of the splash well and plug the drain hole through the transom up so that all of the water that came over the back of the boat drains INTO the boat instead of into the lake! Dumb. Really dumb.

So, I did part one of the patch this morning by gluing an alum patch over both holes to act as a backer. Part 2 will be to jb well the top and sand it "baby bottom" smooooooth!



Tomorrow I will get the JB Weld part started and might get the transom installed and bolted in place.

I pick up the rivets Monday night... so not much I am going to tackle the floor until Tuesday.

Have a great Saturday fellas!

Jim

 

[GA_Boater]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

It's too bad that pretty transom is going to be mostly all covered up.

You asked a good question about the garbage bags and rot. If the plastic is tight against the floor bottom, would that inhibit drying air circulation? Although there probably isn't really much air moving around under there anyway. :noidea:

Have a good weekend, LM.

 

[classiccat]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

maybe 40 years from now we'll hear someone complaining about a "prior owner's dumb idea" of placing garbage bags over the floatation. :lol: JK!!, it's coming out great!

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

It's too bad that pretty transom is going to be mostly all covered up.

You asked a good question about the garbage bags and rot. If the plastic is tight against the floor bottom, would that inhibit drying air circulation? Although there probably isn't really much air moving around under there anyway. :noidea:

Have a good weekend, LM.

Thanks man! Ya... keep wondering if solving one issue will cause another! I think it will be ok as there really isn't a continuous temperature difference... either way the floor is resting on foam or plastic to foam. Hoping that someone may chime and offer additional thoughts here. Otherwise, the floor gets screwed down Tuesday!

J.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

maybe 40 years from now we'll hear someone complaining about a "prior owner's dumb idea" of placing garbage bags over the floatation. :lol: JK!!, it's coming out great!

Thanks BF! It may be a PODI!!! At least they'll have garbage bags to put the floatation bits in when doing the demo work!

J.

 

[GA_Boater]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Thanks BF! It may be a PODI!!! At least they'll have garbage bags to put the floatation bits in when doing the demo work!

J.

That's not a PODI. It's called planning ahea
ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd. :lol:

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

I kinda tend to think garbage bags (and plastic) are good places for water to trap and hang out.

On my Jet Star the squeaks went away after a bit and they are hardly noticeable in the SN at the moment. I'm betting they will go away in time, maybe.

izza:izza:

 

[dozerII]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Nice progress Jim. I agree with the above, I think the plastic will be a good place to capture moisture.

 

[Gibbles]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Nice!

And I never noticed any real squeeking from the foam under my jet, even with the 1/4in flooring I used.

On the starchief I packed the foam in there tight, and it's totally silent so far.

 

[GA_Boater]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

I should have said that my foam is also silent on the subject as well.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Ok...you guys have very valid points.... garbage bags will be used for garbage. Sometimes, ideas that may fix one issue cause a worse issue. Out they come and just like my Jupiter, it should really silent down when it is secured in place!

Thanks for the comments and thoughts guys. Really, really appreciated.

Have a great Sunday.... for those in the northern parts of the country... spring is uber close... think splash!

Jim

 

[Bwana Don]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Spring is Uber close you say; It's snowing or hailing on me as I extend the trailer. I fear we'll go from 30's to 80's in a week. Next year in between boat rebuilds I'm putting up a bigger garage.

Glad you got your foam issues ironed out. The more I think about it, on the Offshore...........................pour in .................... maybe. Yea I said it. Sorry.

Have a good rest of the weekend.
Don

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

I am trying to think of whether this has any ramifications from a rot perspective.... thoughts/opinions welcomed here...

That's the "unknown" part of this equation.

When I tried this, I considered the rot/breakdown/clog possibility, and that's why I chose the 4 mil plastic. I know I've seen pieces of that stuff that I've found in the soil YEARS after it was put there and was still pretty tough; that would be with constant moisture but no UV. I'm figuring that under the floor ply, it won't be constantly wet either.

The garbage bags, not so sure, I figured they might be formulated to disintegrate in landfills and that's one reason I discarded that idea. So really, the jury's still out on that one. Maybe when you replace your floor in 40 years, you can report back how the plastic held up!

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

I kinda tend to think garbage bags (and plastic) are good places for water to trap and hang out.

Doesn't matter anyway. You know we all have perfectly sealed plywood, absolutely impervious to moisture!!!ray:

Before the plastic, my 1/4" ply squeaked like crazy with every movement, couldn't stand it.

 

[Jeepcollector91]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

When I tried this, I considered the rot/breakdown/clog possibility, and that's why I chose the 4 mil plastic. I know I've seen pieces of that stuff that I've found in the soil YEARS after it was put there and was still pretty tough; that would be with constant moisture but no UV. I'm figuring that under the floor ply, it won't be constantly wet either.

The garbage bags, not so sure, I figured they might be formulated to disintegrate in landfills and that's one reason I discarded that idea. So really, the jury's still out on that one. Maybe when you replace your floor in 40 years, you can report back how the plastic held up!

4-mil clear plastic is used under houses as a moisture barrier (in the crawl space on top the dirt and also laid down before pouring concrete slab foundations) and holds up great. My house has it underneath and its been there for over 20 years on the dirt. Should hold up fine in a boat also. It's less than $50 for a 100' roll. As for garbage bags breaking down, you are correct, especially the black plastic ones. I had a roll of thick black plastic drum liners and they have been out of the weather and sun in my shed for a few years. When I needed one a few months back they fell apart in my hands. The clear plastic commercial trash bags hold up better but are a bit thin.

The more I think about it, on the Offshore...........................pour in .................... maybe. Yea I said it. Sorry.

I am planning on using pour in foam in my '66 Starcraft Jupiter. Going to line the hull with 4-mil plastic and spray it with silicone spray on top. Then I am going to use 2-part pour in foam on top of that. After the foam cures I will cut the foam level with the top of the aluminum stringers and cut the foam into easy to remove sections. Take the foam out, remove the plastic and lay the foam back in.

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

4-mil clear plastic is used under houses as a moisture barrier (in the crawl space on top the dirt and also laid down before pouring concrete slab foundations) and holds up great. My house has it underneath and its been there for over 20 years on the dirt.

You're right, now that I think of it, that's quite true. A small part of my basement is unfinished and has a dirt floor. When I moved in the house 27 years ago, I laid the 4 mil clear plastic over it and it is still as tough as the day I put it down. It's been walked on a lot over the years too. Again, moisture and no UV.

 

[Jeepcollector91]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

I kinda tend to think garbage bags (and plastic) are good places for water to trap and hang out.

On my Jet Star the squeaks went away after a bit and they are hardly noticeable in the SN at the moment. I'm betting they will go away in time, maybe.

izza:izza:

I agree also that the plastic may trap water against the wood floor and rot the floor prematurely. The foam will eventually stop squeaking. The squeaking is coming from movement/chafing which will eventually lead to wear and result in a small powder of foam particles which will stop the noise. Even if they get washed away the wear will also mean not as much contact resulting in less squeaking.

Now, if the plastic was perforated maybe it would still stop the squeaking and hold less moisture against the floor? Or maybe spray the foam with a silicone spray but that will wear off eventually.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Yup seems that plastic isn't necessarily the best idea in this case.

Ok... rivets are in and so I will get going on the floor tomorrow am.

Also experimented with a new way to create a very interesting look with spar varnish that I spoke to a fello about in Lake Placid NY. Basically, level the wood piece, put drop plastic or drip plastic under the piece, take the spar (or varnish) and poor it directly on to the surface --- enough that it will run off the surface. The surface tension allows for a pool of varnish to build up to give an incredible wet look. So what I did with the nose piece is do 2 coat and sand between them to let the spar soak in and then took the little I had left and poored it like I described about. Look good when I left. I'll take a shot tomorrow to let you see.

Glen: Question: Did you use spray 90 instead of the vinyl glue for the floor as well? I must be getting old cause I cannot remember!

Take care fellas,

Jim