1965 Jet Star restoration

[bananaboater]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Heck of a deal. You will feel more secure with that new one humming along.

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Wonder if VIAGRA WORKS ON PRIMER BULBS

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Wonder if VIAGRA WORKS ON PRIMER BULBS

I think you have presented an interesting posibility for further research. Why not set up a study and get back to us with the results? As I understand it--and my understanding is limited in that area--there are both topical and consumable applications. Since I have scolded my engine on more than one occasion with no discernible results, and suggested several things that it might do to itself, also without discernible results, I think we can safely assume that a topical application has the best chance of success. Might I suggest that you refer to any of a number of on-line manuals that address the various techniques? But perhaps you would prefer a test protocol customized to the specific application. In that case you are on your own since cutting edge research, by definition, has no established protocols beyond the scientific method which seems to have fallen out of favor in recent times.

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Things just seem to be going my way for a change. The trucker recommended by EPS wanted $209 to pick up and deliver. That is probably reasonable, but was more than I wanted to pay. I thought about driving down and picking it up, but with an actual cost of $0.40/mile that would have been worse than the trucker. Then, despite the fog of age, it occurred to me that my company gets parts from a foundry in Columbus. In fact we get several loads a week (Continental Automotive, chassis division, brake caliper and trailing arm manufacturing). So I spoke to our traffic manager and she arranged for a truck to swing by and pick it up for me. The cost? $57.00. It should be here Monday or Tuesday and I'll just take a trailer to work and haul it directly to the Dealer for installation. Pretty soon my big yellow yard decoration will be a boat again.

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

i think you have presented an interesting posibility for further research. Why not set up a study and get back to us with the results? As i understand it--and my understanding is limited in that area--there are both topical and consumable applications. Since i have scolded my engine on more than one occasion with no discernible results, and suggested several things that it might do to itself, also without discernible results, i think we can safely assume that a topical application has the best chance of success. Might i suggest that you refer to any of a number of on-line manuals that address the various techniques? But perhaps you would prefer a test protocol customized to the specific application. In that case you are on your own since cutting edge research, by definition, has no established protocols beyond the scientific method which seems to have fallen out of favor in recent times.

what ????? Lol

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

The big day is here! My new Mercury motor is at the terminal in Asheville. The dealer is agreeable to rigging it and supplying instruments (wired, but not installed) in exchange for the Johnny. He'll have to pull the Johnny and let me take the boat back to my shop so I can replace the transom wood. There are two pieces of 3/4" on the inside, and one piece of 50 x 6 (or so) 1/2" on the outside. Back in the day someone made a cap out of ugly steel "U" channel. That has to go. I have some 5052 H32 aluminum sheet that I will form up for a new cap. I propose to laminate two pieces of 3/4 exterior plywood with urethane glue (Gorilla Glue, or equivalent), then coat all sides with epoxy. That should outlast me.

Back when I was Purchasing Manager for Mako (and Angler) I had transoms prefabricated to precise dimensions from one piece of plywood of suitable thickness. There was no extra lamination. I can't recall the name of the company, but they could supply plywood up to about 25' x 80' x 16" with no void bigger than 1/8" so whipping out 1-1/2"--4" transoms was simple.

I'm not having the dealer install the instruments because I'm going to make an instrument pod to sit atop the dash directly behind the helm, and I don't want to do that until I know exactly what the dimensions need to be, with room for additions later.

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

What is a real annoyance is logging in, getting a post ready, and having the forum trash it while claiming that I am not logged in. It just did that twice.

 

[barato2]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

yeah, i've had that happen. sometimes i'll prep a post in wordperfect then cut n paste onto iboats to avoid that.

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Yesterday I started to tear out the old transom wood. I admit to a little trepidation after reading about the difficulties some have had getting old transoms out.

Engine gone looks like this:




With the outer plywood off:


I was only a little surprised to discover that the transom had been raised some time in the distant past:


There are a few spots of fairly serious corrosion especially near the ends. The original red color held up well though:




In the next few days I'll see if I can't laminate a new transom, but I don't think I will replace the narrow outside piece of plywood. Instead I think I'll cover it with high grade aluminum sheet, the same stuff the old girl is made of. The extra strength and thickness afforded by the old plywood will be upgraded with a 12 x 14 piece of 1/4 aluminum diamond plate that will go on the outside and be thoroughly bolted.

I will have to etch out all the corrosion spots that wire brushes can't reach, then fill them with JB weld.

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

You're lucky, it looks like it was fairly straightforward. My aluminum under the transom board had some fairly large pitted spots and I filled them with JB Weld, but not all of them, only the worst ones. The PO had used a piece of PT wood when he replaced the board years ago. That diamond plate should dress it up nicely.

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

I should have known that the transom had been built up. It was obvious that it had been replaced at some point. Maybe more than once. I surmise that a former owner did it to accomodate a 20" leg. Since the new Mercury also has a 20" leg I don't have any viable option except to build it back up. I'd really like to have it made from carbon fiber, but I'd have to sell a kidney to afford it.

One good thing is that there was no pressure treated used. I think that most people don't know how fast pt wood--especially the new kind--will devour aluminum. I used to build custom decks, and I have seen new decks (that someone else did!) completely eat up aluminum flashing in as little as a year.

BTW, the dates on the pictures are wrong. They were taken yesterday. The window on my digital camera is kaput so I can't access the settings to correct it.

(O, goody! The First Class made Third Class again, proving that there really is nothing new under the sun.)

 

[jasoutside]

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I'd really like to have it made from carbon fiber, but I'd have to sell a kidney to afford it.

Bah, no reason for that.

Exterior, Arauco, or Marine Grade ply, all sealed up would be superior and wayyyy cheaper.

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Whatever ext. ply you might make it from, if you seal it up real good, you won't have to worry about replacing it! What's a kidney worth these days?

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

What's a kidney worth these days?

I sold mine on the black market and I only got like $43.13 out of it (after shipping). Course I had to disclose the abuse I put them through in my younger days so your mileage may vary.:facepalm:

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

I sold mine on the black market and I only got like $43.13 out of it (after shipping). Course I had to disclose the abuse I put them through in my younger days so your mileage may vary.:facepalm:

That sounds about right for materials at HD! Exclusive of your sealing however.

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Got the new transom installed yesterday. It took about two hours.

Inside:



Outside, before paint. The dark strip is primed aluminum that replaces the plywood.



All painted and ready to go to the shop for the new motor.

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Looks great, you should be happy with that. Don't forget the 5200 along that seam where the old & new aluminum meet!

I bet there's no flex in that baby!

 

[TM-1(ss)]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

Looks great, you should be happy with that. Don't forget the 5200 along that seam where the old & new aluminum meet!

I bet there's no flex in that baby!

I didn't have any 5200, so I ran a bead of 50 year silicone caulk behind the existing transom--between the new wood and the aluminum--before screwing the new metal over top of it. I'll see if WNC Marine has some 5200 when I haul her over there this afternoon to get the new motor hung.

There isn't any flex in it, but I am slightly concerned that the stern might not be perfectly square because although the new wood is exactly 14 3/4 high all the way across, and resting on the knee braces, it is a little low on the port side. About 1/4 inch, which you can see if you look closely at the middle picture.

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

If you have a Home Depot near you, I've found that they have the lowest price on a 3 oz. tube (more than you'll need) of 5200 for $6-7.

A little low on the port side--that's a thinker. Don't you hate it when all your planning comes out a little off in the end? You'll just have to try it out, it may not matter. Probably nobody but you will notice.

 

[barato2]

Re: 1965 Jet Star restoration

just be sure your motor is hung level and you'll never notice the difference.