1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

dazk14

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

I just didn't put it back 'cause I knew the other one was on the way. Yea, all it does is lock the starter when the tiller goes past the start position.:)




I'm glad the eagle has landed!

However, wasn't it about 100 posts ago we wanted more startup RPM's...please tell us you flipped that silly starter interlock out of the way :eek:, otherwise we'll be sending someone out to rip and run with that pretty lookin' Carb;)

Don't forget to check your idle turns out. If it's a bit stuck, break it loose by going counter-clockwise in case it's already all the way in.

All we need you do is mess up the idle needle/seat and we'll be lookin at 300 posts.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Scanman,

Do we have lift-off? Hopefully, that has solved the problem.:Dor:mad:
 

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First, dazk14, that interlock only keeps ya from pullin the srarter rope after you accelerate from the start position. Guess I shoulda been clearer in my language, sorry.

Next, I got a HE77 of a deal on this carb (see pic)! It still has the original CORK float!!! It must be New Old Stock... UNREAL!

I was forced to put off installation till almost dark. I was in a big hurry to get it in there. I'm gonna try again tommorrow, but I'm really hopin I did something stupid tonite, because it STILL won't run at low rpms! I ran the needle in till it stopped & backed it out 1.5 turns, about where it was. Then installed it. The only thing I did different was that I ran it on the muffs, 'cause I was SURE it wouldn't need to be there long.

Like I said, I was in a big hurry, cause my eyesight isn't very good at night, but I hope I forgot to open the tank vent or something like that. Right now I'd really like to have a good temper tantrum!:mad:

Can't thank you guys enough!:)
 

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scanman

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

SUCCESS!:D

I can't explain it, but the lean/rich needle is open less than 1/4 turn & its runnin fine. I'm goin out now to get the idle speed adjusted & fine tune the needle. Right now it dies when I roll the tiller off to idle speed, but I think the adjuster on the side of the motor will stop that. It's dying at about 900rpm, which I believe is kinda high, but I'm not really sure how to fix that. I don't think it'll be a problem, as I can at least get it low enough to shift gears without it dying.

VERY HAPPY!:D:D

I'll post a vid later today for yall.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

That could be all about ignition, I noticed when I converted to CD my 15hp idles down to nothing now, you can barely hear it running at slow troll.
 

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I think I read somewhere in LeeRoy's that the 15 would idle higher than the 9.9 which may be the case since you are running the 15 carb now. It'll be interesting to see what difference you have when its in the water.

one thing to watch out for is the cork float with the ethenol fuel; somebody should know what if any effect it will have on the coating the float has.

Good luck and pull a few out of Graveline for me, let me know what you find out there.:D
 

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I got the final adjustments done. Everything's workin great!:D It idles great, even in foreward & reverse!

The vid if ya wanna see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-TYq5s_478

I'm not gonna worry about the high idle, cause it's only about 150rpm and it shifts smoothly.

Will Bark, I'm gettin on the bayou this afternoon! PM with an e-mail & i'll send ya pics. If I catch 'em!

Thanks again, ya'll!:D

Oh yea, I plan on changin that float out pretty quick, even though I run the seperator & filter. I also get non-ethanol fuel from Mary Walker Marina. The only place I know of to get it. Now I can just drive the boat over instead of trailerin it!

I'm gonna miss this thread... BUT not the problem that caused it, LOL!
 

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Great to see it purring. That sounds pretty much how my 1976 15HP idles and I wouldn't say that it's too high at all. I always thought the perfect idle speed was simply any number of RPMs higher then stalling.

Great work Scanman. Enjoy the motor. That boat is going to fly.
 

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sounds really smooooth, Scan...what a journey!...don't catch'em all at once...best of luck
 

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You are a happy man in the vid now, LOL, that's awesome!
 

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Optsy, I'm with you, bud! If it don't die, it'll fly!:D

AlTn, she ran so good I took the ole lady out on the bayou tonight! I wasn't scared I'd have to listen to her, if it quit on us, LOL!:D

Bk, NO WAY TO SAY IT, BUD! Wouldn't have made it here without you & Will Bark!

Thanks everyone for hangin in there!. This has to be a record number of posts for a 9.9 J/E!

I went out alone, first, to check it all out. I was able to idle, both in foreward & reverse, AND stop to drop the anchor. I called home & the wife met me at the ramp (across the street from the house) with her lifevest. We were able to IDLE through the Graveline Bayou for over two hours without a problem, whatsoever! She took some cool pics! I'll post em tomorrow. Ya'll made for us a wonderfull night!:D:D

I've got the 15hp carb & the Boysen Power Reeds, with the new crank & pistons. I should be between 14 & 17 hp, huh? Stock 9.9 prop, but, WOW, it came out of the hole quick! WOT, with me the 12gal gas & troller & battery was 5050rpm. That sound about right, or should I be pushin 5500rpm. There was no missing, no lean pop, no nothin. The boat is 13'6" & 30" at the beam. I'm kinda thinkin I should be spinnin it faster.

Thanks, Bk, for pointin out the change in my body language. I didn't really notice it till I went back & watched! What a difference! I am a happy man!:D
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

If you have the two stage (double reed) Boysens in there, they will slow you down, as those are a gimmick and don't work as well as just a single petal reed, stainless, or fiber reeds. The reason for this is the thin second reed, once it opens, the thicker reed under it will never open because all the flow goes through the opening uncovered by the thin reed, and then the thick reed restricts the opening in the leaf plate. We used to use .018 epoxy glass reeds cut from sheet we by from Aerospace Composits in San Leadndro Ca. and traced the shape of the steel reed onto the epoxy glass and cut them out.

If you have single layer Boysens, you'll be fine however. The "dual stage" double Boysens do work on the very low end and improve throttle response, but restrict flow at high speeds due to the thich second reed never opening.

Did you set the timing just by .020" point gap? If so, that only gets you in the ball park, enough for the engine to start and run, but it has to be perfectly synched and advanced fully for peak rpm and performance. For this you use a battery operated test light or buzz/beep box(continuity tester) following the service manual, then check with a strobe timing light while running. You can do the timing light test now to see how far each cylinder is out as well.

Glad you finally got it running! Have fun fishing, good luck and tight lines.
 

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Jmendoza, I did buy the double reeds. The boat is quicker outta the hole than it's ever been, BUT, I guess that explains the low rpms on top end, huh. I'm gonna tear it down over the winter to install the water flow nipple so it'll be much easier to tell if the impeller is good or not. I think it's a good idea as I'm gonna be runnin saltwater a LOT! Is there a better choice of high performance reeds. Just get the singles from Boysen, or what? Would a prop change save me the trouble of replacin em? I'm considerin a SS four blade, anyway, for salt water resistance & performance gains.

I only set the points at the .020 gap. I've got a nice continuity tester, and a manual. Question is: I've only found one timing mark on the armature plate, & it's for #1. Located on the foreward starboard of the motor. I can't seem to find the mark for #2. How can the light show me how much #2 is out, especially if I can't find the mark. The pics below are old ones that have the mark I'm talkin about in them. Pic #2 is a cropped version of #1 to show the "divet" shaped mark where the flywheel mark for #1 appears with the timing light on it. It's just left of the cam follower roller. I have the flywheel marks painted with "liquid paper" to make them show up well, & #1 is painted a bit different than #2 so I can tell the difference between them. I'm sure it can use some "fine tuning" but am confused on how to proceed. I'll put the light on it tomorrow & check #1 again, now that it's runnin, & try to make a vid of it.
 

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kbait

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There is only one timing mark on the arm.plate and 2 (or 4) marks on flywheel.. if it's 4, there's 2 'e' and 2 'r' for elect or rope start. There's two sparks per rev of flywheel, one at each of the flywheel marks lining up w/the one mark on the arm.plate.
 

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Thanks kbait, that helps! I guess I need one of those timing tools, or figure out this continuity check (which I think is gonna be more accurate).

When I have the timing light on it, should both marks illuminate, or does it depend on which plug wire I have the induction lead hooked onto?
 

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Depends on which plug wire you're getting the strobe from.
If you want to use a continuity tester (multimeter), I did it as follows:
Pull the screw that holds the wires to the point set you want to test, and get the wires out of the way. Run a thin wire through one of the phillips head arm plate mounting screw holes (just remove one of 'em for wire), and connect it to the point set where you removed the wires. Connect one lead of your test light/buzzer/multimeter to that wire, and the other to ground on the powerhead. Replace flywheel (just put it on.. no flywheel nut) and turn flywheel clockwise until points open (meter will show this). At that exact spot, the corresponding flywheel mark should be on the advanced side of the arm plate timing mark. If you need to advance it more, slightly increase the gap on the point set you're checking, and recheck. It's tedious work, but after you get both sets of points timed perfectly, you're good to go. You can check with a timing light afterward, to test under running conditions. It shouldn't jump around w/timing light.. should stay where you set it statically.. If it jumps, you may have some play in your armature plate, and that's a different issue. Hope this helps!
 

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The marks on the flywheel are 180 degrees apart from each other, one for cylinder #1 (top), and #2(bottom). The timing light will illuminate only the cylinder's mark on the flywheel you have it connected to, meaning only one at a time, that way you can check and adjust each one independantly. Using a meter, or continuity tester, you hook up to the set of points (dissconnect them from the coil by unplugging the connector) and then put the flywheel on with key, but no need to put on the nut as you will be taking it on and off several times. Rotate the flywheel slowly until you notice the continuity meter indicate the points just opened (beep will quit, or if using a powered continuity light, it will go out). Note if this happens when the corresponding mark on the flywheel lines up with the fixed mark on the magneto plate. If not, move the flywheel to where the marks line up, carefully pull off the flywheel without rotaing the crank shaft, and adjust the points so the are just open as indicated by the continuity tester. This is repeated until as you rotate the flywheel, it fires on the marks. Then do this for the other cylinder. This is called static timing. Dynamic timing is checked with a strobe timing light, engine running. The strobe will reveal any changes in timing due to a worn set of points, an intermittant condensor, a worn crank top bearing, or loose magneto plate...static timing will not show that, as it cannot test for when the engine us running. With new points, set the flywheel mark to fire in the middle of the large fixed magneto plate mark, which is a tad on the retarded side, because as the point faces break in, it will advance the timing. You can re-check the timing and set it again once the engine has about 10 hours running time, as the points will be broken in by then and the timing will stabilize. I found my new points had a coating of lacquer and so I had to clean the contacts with lacquer thinner before I could get consistant readings and spark. With a car type timing light, you will need to connect it to a 12 volt battery. I have one of those old neon lights , you unplug the coil wire to the spark plug and put it inline.
 

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The marks on the flywheel are 180 degrees apart from each other, one for cylinder #1 (top), and #2(bottom). The timing light will illuminate only the cylinder's mark on the flywheel you have it connected to, meaning only one at a time, that way you can check and adjust each one independantly. Using a meter, or continuity tester, you hook up to the set of points (dissconnect them from the coil by unplugging the connector) and then put the flywheel on with key, but no need to put on the nut as you will be taking it on and off several times. Rotate the flywheel slowly until you notice the continuity meter indicate the points just opened (beep will quit, or if using a powered continuity light, it will go out). Note if this happens when the corresponding mark on the flywheel lines up with the fixed mark on the magneto plate. If not, move the flywheel to where the marks line up, carefully pull off the flywheel without rotaing the crank shaft, and adjust the points so the are just open as indicated by the continuity tester. This is repeated until as you rotate the flywheel, it fires on the marks. Then do this for the other cylinder. This is called static timing. Dynamic timing is checked with a strobe timing light, engine running. The strobe will reveal any changes in timing due to a worn set of points, an intermittant condensor, a worn crank top bearing, or loose magneto plate...static timing will not show that, as it cannot test for when the engine us running. With new points, set the flywheel mark to fire in the middle of the large fixed magneto plate mark, which is a tad on the retarded side, because as the point faces break in, it will advance the timing. You can re-check the timing and set it again once the engine has about 10 hours running time, as the points will be broken in by then and the timing will stabilize. I found my new points had a coating of lacquer and so I had to clean the contacts with lacquer thinner before I could get consistant readings and spark. With a car type timing light, you will need to connect it to a 12 volt battery. I have one of those old neon lights , you unplug the coil wire to the spark plug and put it inline.

About the reeds, if the timing results in an RPM increase, then leave them be. Fiber reeds need periodic changing anyway, as they take on a set after a period of time. We flip them over once, then change them the next time. You can cut some from .018" epoxy glass sheet, or if Boyesen makes a single piece reed, use it.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Scanman,

That whole thing is getting too deep for my brain, if those timing marks are lining up with the light and it aint missing and is ideling good, if it aint broke, don't fix it; go fishing!:D
 

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Thanks ya'll, I'll be trying this today, but probably won't get to run the boat till tomorrow. I think I got the concept, now, though. I'll post results as soon as i can get on the water.:)
 
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