1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

[ricohman]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

A quality job!

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Is that the remains of the brush they used to apply the resin?

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Yes, that was under the front stringer. I wonder what I'll find under the lower deck? Besides wet foam, which is guaranteed.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Leave the lip for now, it will make a good reference point when you are ready to install the new deck, later it can be removed with various different tools...grinding[much dust], grinding with a metal cut-off wheel[ can easily cut through the hull or your skin, if not done very carefully, also quite a bit of dust], a sawzall with a flexible metal cutting blade, a reciprocating saw...

Notice the brush bristles remain while the wood handle rotted away...

The hole is easily fixed by applying increasingly larger diameter layers of CSM + 1708 + Resin...use some kind of non-stick backing on the out side of the hull[ piece of cardboard with wax paper or aluminum foil on it or a piece of formica, taped to the hull's outer skin], then cut progressively larger diameter pieces of CSM, then 1708, the CSM, etc. until you build up the thickness...

oops! or one of the other more knowledgeable guys, will jump in here and corect me if I'm wrong.
Everything is looking good...Keep it up...
GT1M

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Thanks GT1000000, I appreciate the advice. I didn't think about the brush handle rotting away, the wood in that stringer was just about dust.

I took some time today to measure everything and start an order for fiberglass supplies. I got the mask coming on Monday, and tyvek suits hopefully Tuesday. Now I gotta get the cap out of the garage and the boat in before I can remove stringers and start the grind. I'm looking forward to building the new stringers. I decided that the seacast probably won't work on the upper strings, don't know about the lowers yet as they have not been full exposed yet. Tomorrow the rest of the lower deck and foam comes out.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

By the way V,

Couple of tips before you suit up for the big grind...

Make sure BEFORE you remove the rest of the stringers, the hull is properly supported...

You can reduce the amount of itch by a couple of different methods...one I have used with pretty good success is to cover your self in baby powder, this helps to seal your pores from filling with 'glas dust...the other method I have read about is to apply some kind of dish soap to your skin, let it dry, then suit up...this I haven't tried, but might give it a go next time I have to do some fun grinding...


Also, if you have a bearded face, you might want to take a tip from my military CBN{Chemical, Biological, Nuclear} days and shave to provide a good leak free seal for your mask...

You can also use a liitle vaseline around the edge of your mask to help it seal well, if it seems to be a problem...

Also, if you have already been attacked by the itch, PMCranney's thread, "Man vs. Boat",
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=513763
has a remedy to calm the itch...puter's kinda acting up, but you might be able to search for it...

As far as ordering your supplies..."Woodonglass" thread "1961 Lonestar Flamingo" http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=384982
Has some good starting points for the amounts and types of stuff to order
Again a search or a PM will get you the info...

GT1M

PS- I know you mentioned this but keep on taking lots of pictures and measurements, this is not only to satisfy our insatiable appetite for pictures on the forum, but so that when the time has passed and you have forgotten where or how things go, you will be able to look at that info and remember...Believe me it has already paid off for me...

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Those are some great anti-itch tips, much appreciated. Thanks for the tip on posting images too, makes it easier to read and see what's going on.

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Hi guys,

I went down to the boat this morning and swapped the cap and hull positions so the hull is in the garage when it comes time to grind.

I could use some advice on supporting the hull. As you can see, it's on the trailer still.There are two bunks per side of the boat.

Do you all think I should take the boat off the trailer?? Or leave it on and build side supports? I think I can hoist the boat from the rafters and build supports, but I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble...Any advice is much appreciated.

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Yes! This was on my doorstep when I got back from the park with my dog.

I had to guess on the size since I could find no data whatsoever on it on 3M's site. It's a large 3M 6000 series (the large is the 6900) The dimensions from the bottom cup to the top is 7.75in, at the widest point horizontally it's 6". Fits me perfectly, glad I didn't get the medium.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Great score on the mask...got the filters too, I hope

As far as supporting the hull, I am not 100% sure, but the trailer set up looks pretty good to me, but better minds than mine will confirm or deny...

Either way, to support the top of the hull you can use some straps or you can devise a couple of crossbraces, like the ones I made, and just hold on to the hull with some c-clamps...

I actually used 1 X 4 Pressure treated boards, since this is going to be living outside, I figured PT would last a little longer, and the side[green] pieces, I made them one long piece that tied together the two cross pieces...


The big thing is to keep the hull from flexing in or out or up and down...

Hope some of this helps.

I really like that Cap support you built...

Keep up the great work,
GT

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Thanks GT1M, I appreciate the info. I had an idea. The stringers are solid to the hull as far as the fiberglass is concerned- I'm 230lbs+ and can stand on them even though the wood is rotten inside. Other than the front cross-member that had the brush head under it, the rest of the stringers seem solid so far. I'm thinking of cutting the tops off the stringers and digging out the wood.
Then inserting 3/4in plywood stringer cut to fit small, pl the bottom to the hull. Then pour seacast into the sides and top it off, clamp and let dry. The plywood insert will cut the volume of seacast significantly and should not rot since the seacast is encapsulating it...right???, same thing on the transom. Thoughts??

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

I chose that mask because I know filters are available at any home improvement store and I already have a bunch from my half-mask. I think my lungs are worth a hundred bucks, why they gotta make em hot pink is beyond me!

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Nope, Not a good Idea. If you cut the top of the stinger out then it will not be at the correct height for your deck. You will need to make the New stinger tall enuf to meet the deck height and then the seacast will not be able to encapsulate it. You would then have to glass the tope of the stringer. You would have to grind the inside of the stringer casings to get the seacast to adhere properly. Lots of work that would not save you any time and for the cost of the seacast not any money either. This has been discussed soooo many times here on the forum and has never been recommended. IMHO you should grind it all out and do it the accepted way. But hey, it's your boat and you are free to do as you see fit. But I'm would definitely NOT recommend doing that for your transom. Either do a total seacast transom or a wood transom but do not mix them.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Nope, Not a good Idea. If you cut the top of the stinger out then it will not be at the correct height for your deck. You will need to make the New stinger tall enuf to meet the deck height and then the seacast will not be able to encapsulate it. You would then have to glass the tope of the stringer. You would have to grind the inside of the stringer casings to get the seacast to adhere properly. Lots of work that would not save you any time and for the cost of the seacast not any money either. This has been discussed soooo many times here on the forum and has never been recommended. IMHO you should grind it all out and do it the accepted way. But hey, it's your boat and you are free to do as you see fit. But I'm would definitely NOT recommend doing that for your transom. Either do a total seacast transom or a wood transom but do not mix them.

From my limited experience here on iboats, and reading through a couple of hundred threads, I gotta wholeheartedly and completely agree with wood on this one...

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Ok, you guys have convinced me, I'll gut her the accepted way. Hopefully I'll have some time today to build some more supports before I start demo and get this project going!

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

I got sidetracked but have been back on it. Today I jacked up the trailer and supported it on cinder blocks, then built some more hull supports and a grinding tent.


I bought these boots today, my tennis shoes were holding a ton of dust at the end of the day and it was getting past the elastic in the cuffs. So with my pants tucked in, and the tyvek outside, there was no dust going up my leg, the photo isn't great, but you can kinda see where the dust stops. I also taped my wrists to the gloves and that worked great.

I sure am glad I'm doing this now, I don't know how anyone could do this in the summer without running a a/c in the grinding tent. The plan is to keep at it all week. I have until April to use the garage space then I'm searching for something else.

 

[glnbnz]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Yes definitely rubber boots are the way to go when grinding. I used them when I was grinding on my boat and didn't get any dust through them. I just had to make sure that the Tyvek suit was over them. I am lucky however that fiberglass dust doesn't bother me like it does most people.

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

Some more progress today. The stringers were not rotten all the way, wet but not rotten. As you can see in the photo, they also used a single piece of wood, not plywood. The one on the right popped right out, the left one had to be chiseled out. The hammer drill was a life saver here - love that thing. The only way was to chisel it out in small strips, it took about an hour.

I'm thinking of writing a weight loss book,

Step 1. Put on Tyvek, seal cuffs and grind/cut for 4-5hrs -I just gotta stretch that out to 200-300 pages and I got a winner!

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

I got a later start than I wanted, but got some more progress, the clock is ticking. I have 1 month, to either finish or get trailer/transport ready.

The sawzall is an amazing machine, I don't know how we lived without it. I cut out the transom and the remainder of the deck and foam. I'm trying to salvage the thru-hull boats, but those nuts are rusted on ultra tight, any suggestions? I'll spray em with bolt-off in the am and let them soak before I try again.

I found this string all through the lower decking and transom, they put strings of roving woven in the plywood, makes it tougher to get the wood out, but I can't imagine 5-6 threads across the width would do anything...other than annoy me.

You can see here they got a very good bond of wood to glass. The wood is still so wet that it cakes the sanding pad in 3 minutes, so I'm letting it dry overnight before I try again.

 

[glnbnz]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

As far as rusted bolts go...I am not on for trying to save things like that. I would just grind them off or break them whatever is easier. That of course is just my humble opinion.

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 1978 Venture Phase V bass boat, new deck and transom - first timer

As far as rusted bolts go...I am not on for trying to save things like that. I would just grind them off or break them whatever is easier. That of course is just my humble opinion.

I'm going soak em with bolt-off and see. The bolts are fine but the nuts are bad. If I can save $15 here and there, why not? I'm keeping tabs on this rebuild and the little stuff is adding up to big dollars already.