1982 Glastron needs an engine!!

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captmello

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Re: 1982 Glastron needs an engine!!

power trim, Sorry i misspoke, was offered for the 280 and 270 but they are rare. The 290 and sp/dp - A thru C series also would work as the outdrive hole is bigger.by 93ish they had gone to the new standard opening, which is smaller. The switch you have is most likely the Power tilt which is an electronic tilt for trailering etc. Not power trim which can be adjusted at speed.
 

jwalsh66

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did they make a 290 in the 80's? Also if I post a picture of the interior of the boat can someone tell me where my motor mounts are supposed to be or how I'm supposed to mound this motor? And just to make sure boats don't have transmissions correct? The gear is in the drive and it couples to the output shaft on the motor through the gimble? Also one last question. If I put a 290 drive in there and have to cut a larger hole in the transom will it run into the existing holes, then can I drop a 350 in it with a volvo 290 drive? I'm not sure if I have this correct most of my boating experience is with an outboard ski centurion. Thanks in advance for answering all of my common knowledge questions.
 

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Yes the 290 was offered back to the mid eighties i believe.

Power trim is not mandatory IMO, I get by without it just fine. Especially in a small overpowered boat...
 

wellcraft19

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Location of motor mounts will all depend on what engine/drive combo you drop in. Engine mounts are normally part of, or attached to the "central" set of beefy stringers that are running on each side of the keel. The Volvo engines use the transom shield (via the bell housing) as the rear motor "mount" (some early Volvo actually was cantilevered of the transom shield w/o any front motor mounts).

Power trim is a GREAT feature, although it also introduces a few more items that can fail (and are expensive to repair - while eliminating the rickety electric tilt). But if you can find a VP transom shield with power trim, go for it.

Marine engines don't have a transmission in the traditional sense, but there is always (unless you have a variable pitch propeller) a transmission for reversing gears someone. On I/Os, that is as you say in the (out)drive. "True" inboards have it either in a "straight" (or close to) line with the propeller shaft, or in a "V-drive" setting (allowing the engine to rest further aft with "half" of the transmission in a straight line with the propeller shaft).

If you look in the diagram that Don posted in #9 above, you can see the differences in the cut-outs for the different transom shields. You can still run a 350 with a 280 drive. You just need to ensure you have the right gear ratio in the lower drive.

And, if you are new to this, please ensure you only use "marine grade" components when it comes to fuel system, starting system, charging system, as well as ignition system. Boats don't - as in a car - ventilate out the (potentially explosive ) fuel vapors, and with the right air/fuel vapor mixture in the bilge, it can easily go "pooof" - with disastrous results. Part from having marine grade components, you also need a "bilge blower" which is really a fan that "vacuums" out the heavier fuel vapors from deep in the bilge out in the open air. Blower should always be run for at least a couple of minutes before starting an engine, especially a gasoline inboard.

Post some photos of the interior, and based on what is seen through the transom hole, start with a a thorough cleaning out. Make ANYTHING some much easier to work with and many here can much better advise you on the condition of what you have to work with if some detailed photos are provided.

Since it looks like a bow rider, and if it has not been properly covered up over the years (1982 is a long away back...), I would REALLY start by checking for soft spots in the deck throughout the boat. I know it is much more fun to work on the "power" parts, but if you have a hull with "hidden" issues, you can do much better (for less money) if you find something that might already have an engine installed.

All that said, there are some truly amazing restoration projects in the "Boat Restoration, Building, and Hull Repair" section of this forum. But to get there requires time, money, money, time, an understanding wife/GF/SO, and a decent space to work in (as an example, my trailer is too wide for my garage doors - not fun in the late fall when it would be great to park inside and "do" the boat).

Whatever you do, best of luck! Boats are fun, and we sometimes throw all sane reasoning out the window to proceed on our water bourne "projects" :)
 
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Maclin

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Re: 1982 Glastron needs an engine!!

I know you want it to scoot, but some if not all of the 4cylinder options do not need any front motor mounts. Are there any controls/cables left?
 

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ok so here are a few pictures of the inside of the transom and the engine bay. was hoping you guys could give me a little bit better idea of what i can and cant do of the things i had planned. and also where the motor mounts for a 350 would attach to the stringers. is that little white box on the upper right of the picture the bilge blower that was mentioned in a previous post? you need anyother pictures the help me out let me know and ill be glad to take them. do i need any other parts besides the drive and the engine. is there anything that goes inbetween the two besides the gimble? as for the deck... it is in pretty good shape. one soft spot over the fuel tank. I was planning on replacing it anyways because i want to put new carpet in it. i know you guys might think im crazy for doing all this work to a old boat like this but i need a project to get me out of the house for a few hours here and there and it was the wifes idea so i said why not, and it will be really nice when its done. IMG_20110821_1800322.jpgIMG_20110821_1800211.jpg
 

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Hard to say, but it looks (looking at the edge the transom reinforcement, left of the opening), where it is thicker, like that transom has been given a piece of plywood once. It really does not look (out to the left) that it has been glassed in. And if not glassed in, water and moisture will absorb over time.

To me, those stringers look very "slim", even if you glass new engine mounts onto them. But there are many experts (boat restoration section) that can provide better advice. My (small I-4 Volvo) has the mounts on stringers that likely are built out of a pair of 4"x8".

And yes, that is the bilge blower with what it looks like a decent hose that can start down under the engine.

As for crazy, all boat projects are "crazy" since we always (?) end up throwing more money on them than we planned - and we know it already when we start, and still we start...
 

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as for the deck... it is in pretty good shape. one soft spot over the fuel tank.

And this is where this thread IMHO comes to a screeching hault....

If you spend any time poking around in the boat resto section, particularly paying attention to threads titled something like "I just bought a boat, and there's a soft spot in the deck" you usually see those posts evolving into the boat having more than a soft spot in the deck. Usually the stingers are junk-ola and the flotation foam under the deck is saturated with water.

If I were you sir, I would be putting all ambitions of re-powering this hull on hold, and pulling the deck up to see what your working with. I wouldn't be spending dime 1 on anything power train related, because it could be all for nothing if you find out this boat is rotten, and you just spent at least 2K on a re-power. If you do have rotten stringers, you need to ask you self it shes worth it, and more importantly if you have the $$$. You would also need to consider you will never get back what you put into it at that point. Boats with blown engines and good hulls are a dime a dozen. I suspect there is a reason why the original owner pulled the drive-line from this one and moved on, and you may be stepping on it! ;)
 

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And this is where this thread IMHO comes to a screeching hault....

If you spend any time poking around in the boat resto section, particularly paying attention to threads titled something like "I just bought a boat, and there's a soft spot in the deck" you usually see those posts evolving into the boat having more than a soft spot in the deck. Usually the stingers are junk-ola and the flotation foam under the deck is saturated with water.

If I were you sir, I would be putting all ambitions of re-powering this hull on hold, and pulling the deck up to see what your working with. I wouldn't be spending dime 1 on anything power train related, because it could be all for nothing if you find out this boat is rotten, and you just spent at least 2K on a re-power. If you do have rotten stringers, you need to ask you self it shes worth it, and more importantly if you have the $$$. You would also need to consider you will never get back what you put into it at that point. Boats with blown engines and good hulls are a dime a dozen. I suspect there is a reason why the original owner pulled the drive-line from this one and moved on, and you may be stepping on it! ;)

Agreed.

It looks like the transom has been done previously. For all the money and work, buy a boat and take your wife out for a ride.

Of course, if you really want to do the project, we'll help.:)
 

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Gonna have to agree with the above posters, the transom appears to be delaminating at the bottom and is that a crack on the port side?

It's all doable but you will never realize a ROI. Take some close up pics and take some drill samples of the lower transom and post in the resto section and you will get an idea of what you are up against.
 

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Alright so for the last hour I have been taking up the deck and I have it done up to the skin locker. As of right now there is no water in the foam and the stringers are good I am going to drill a few holes tomorrow and see how they look inside the fiberglass. That deck was a pain in the associated because it was glassed in. The soft spot over the tank was because that cover for the tank was in rough shape. And the transom was glassed in around the edges. Do the stringers go all the way to the front? Thanks for all of your help guys ill direct all of these questions to the rest forum. I'll be back when I get back to power train work. Thanks again for all of your advice and guidance.
Josh
 

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As of right now there is no water in the foam and the stringers are good I am going to drill a few holes tomorrow and see how they look inside the fiberglass.

This will be telling. Any dark wood, wet wood, or pulp drilled out of the stringers will tell you their shot. Dry tan wood means there good to go. If everything looks good then you will seal the holes that you drilled with 3M 5200.

That deck was a pain in the associated because it was glassed in.
As it should be. You will need to glass and tab in the new deck if she either passes muster, or you decide to proceed with a stringer project.

Do the stringers go all the way to the front?

They may. Someone more familiar with this hull may be in the resto section.

If everything looks OK with the deck off, this would also give you the opportunity to build onto, or modify the back stringers in such a way that you can mount your new engine. From what I can see in your pictures, I can't really distinguish a mounting spot for previous front engine mounts. The previous 4 cylinder may have been a cantilevered engine that didn't have front mounts.
 

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I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say tab in. Can you explain? Also I never thought about being able to modify the stringers for the new mounts. Great point there. And I'll tell ya this is my first boat project so I will be in over my head with a stringer project so I probably just junk it if that is needed
 

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I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say tab in. Can you explain? Also I never thought about being able to modify the stringers for the new mounts. Great point there. And I'll tell ya this is my first boat project so I will be in over my head with a stringer project so I probably just junk it if that is needed

To finish off a deck right, you glass in strips or "tabs" of fiberglass from the edge of the deck to the hull. If you read up on several of the fiberglass restos in the boat restoration section, you will see this happening.

The modifying the stinger part should be run by the resto guys for proper execution.

There are a few people in the resto section who have done complete restorations with no previous experience. If you spend the time reading the restos, start your own thread, and ask lots of questions, I am confident you should have the ability to do this work. It isn't magic or incredibly complected. It will take time, dedication, and a decent amount of cash. If your boat needs a gut job, the ultimate question you would need to ask your self is if it's worth it to YOU.

Good luck!
 
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