1985 Seaswirl Tempo 17 floor replacement turning into something bigger.

ster1

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This is starting to look like my boat again. Most of the floor is in (pics tomorrow), tabbed to the hull with 2 layers of 1708 along the sides and rear. I used PL to attach the pieces to the stringers. It was hot today and wow did that PL flow fast! I could have solved my transom filler thickness problem if I would have done it today instead of back in April. Ah well. I still have some detail tabbing and filling to do but the keyhole and engine will be next. I have a template I downloaded from Volvos website. It printed up in real size, so all I had to do was tape the 6 or 8 sheets that came out of my printer together precisely and I have a template! It looks like its the same as the Merc but I'm going to pull the donor drive to measure and be sure before I start cutting my new transom. I think I will cut it then gelcoat it. The donor vessel already has controls, cables, etc installed so it'll just be a matter of moving that stuff over it would seem. I'm going to build a gantry crane out of Habitat For Humanity lumber to do the swap and use a come along as the hoisting device. By the way, so far my entire budget for this project has not exceeded 2000 dollars and that includes the donor vessel purchase,so I'm happy about that. I'm about to go on another break and won't be back until late July. I am determined to splash in August!
 

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Back home for a day before heading out again for a few days. I didn't sleep last night, so I decided to mark my keyhole. NOT gonna drill anything until I get some sleep though :) Anyhow, I ran into a little problem and am looking for some help. When I took out my OMC stuff, I took what I thought was enough measurements to make sure the new engine / drive were going to end up in the right position. Well, I was probably wrong about that. Damn that experiential learning! I did not measure where the old crankshaft CL penetrated the transom. I measured almost every other dimension I could think of, not knowing that that dimension was probably the most important. An OMC crankshaft CL is a moving target due to the way the OMC trims. My trim was, shall we say.. fixed by attrition? Never worked but the boat rode fine, so I didn't worry about it. Anyway, I did not get a lateral position where the old crank CL went through and now I have a little problem. I measured for the Merc CL, using both the 90 degree tool method and the tape measure method (both landed within about 1/8" of each other), and the "X" dimension I got seemed to be an inch higher than the OMC. I just got finished telling you I didn't get the measurement, so how do I know? The keyhole I drew on my transom looked high. In fact, it's actually higher than the original OMC hole by about 1.5" (I had assumed the OMC hole would completely encompass the Merc keyhole). I didn't know if this was kosher or not, so I measured, as closely as I could, my intermediate housing and my transom gasket to try to assess where that CL was. So, from the crank CL to the top of the intermediate housing (on the OMC) was "a" and measuring the gasket (which is a little brittle, but flexible so not completely accurate) from where the housing clamps in there to the top screw hole was "b". Add em together and it lands about an inch lower than my "X" measurement from above. So taking into consideration the inaccurate method I used for measurement, and the fact that the 2 different methods of finding the "X" dimension fell so close together, should I be worried? Should I just go with the X? Maybe split the difference which would drop the "X" by about a half inch?
 

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So it seems there's about a million threads on iboats and others that talk about doing this kind of work, about 100 that actually start and maybe just a handful that get this far without throwing in the towel. So I don't have a whole lot of data to pull from for here on out. I found 1 picture of 1 guys transom who got this far on his rig about 3 years ago and his thread stopped right after. His keyhole was the same as mine, about 1.5" higher than the OMC hole. So either we're both wrong in the same way or I'm on the right track. I'm going to assume the latter. Since my 2 X dimensiions were so close together, I'm going to center right in between the two, so I'll either be a tad high or a tad low depenending of how you look at it, but I'm going with X.
 

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https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_cGDRinz8NGpFaF56ic1IKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I'm going to use this drilling rig to drill my holes for the keyhole

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6W3hdjIsQeJ6C6MIuBFE4aHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Outline of the keyhole. Note how the top of the keyhole extends beyond the original OMC hole. I had some heartburn about this but I'm over it. Moving forward...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A82Rudz-6cIRA-G31JpKwKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Sorry for the blurry, progress so far. Floor almost done.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l6h1d6BXMYSFXPCsawTnsKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I didn't get precisely the fit I wanted, but I'm not going to worry about it. A little PL and tabbing and it'll be ready to paint.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KXNVh6nJXpPgFXebSUmLyqHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Bilge is going to be painted white gelcoat

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/em9s62tavbC2mUnLX9Q0AaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I'm planning on covering the floor with roll-on truck bed lining.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7IcsZ7OCMe0bg1UtbYXjzqHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Good shot showing the gaps. Not sure how I could have been this far off, but...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/S_t0wd60P7PV4O4SzCT1cKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Rear bulkhead. I have to goop some resin on the edges of the cutout for the fuel lines before I stick the floor panel down

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KAOFdQk5jjY4VqWc3n_MzKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I drilled my bilge drain off center. That's a goof. It's good enough though, it'll drain. There's also a TON of resin down there to I have something to attach the actual drain to. The transom filler doesn't go all the way to the floor of the hull, so I thought I'd have to build up something from the inside. Turns out that was already done for me. One more layer of resin to coat the hole, and the bilge drain is done.

Getting closer and closer every week!
 

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Re: 1985 Seaswirl Tempo 17 floor replacement turning into something bigger.

Good Progress. You'll be in the lake before you know it!!!:happy:
 

ster1

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Thank you! That drilling thing made drilling the cutouts for the steering easy. I cut the keyhole tonight. It took almost 2 hours because I went really slow. I drilled the holes for the steering first so I could line that rig up, and screw it into the part I was going to cut out, and it went fine. My hole saw only let me go so deep before I had to pull it out, and chip out the hole and start again, but once I got one cut in, I could take off the rig and do it the rest by hand. I didn't drill any of the holes because I got tired. More pics soon but what's left is finishing sealing / filling the gaps in the floor, sanding everything and painting the floor and bilge. Hopefully bilge tomorrow. BTW I measured the thickness and parallelism of my keyhole and I'm +/- 2.54 mm which is in spec. I was not expecting to be within spec without some grinding. I'll do a touch up sand of everything, but so far so good. Pretty happy about that.
 

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https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/M0JZZkEIJihxcMMv2h5RlqHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Keyhole cut, drilled and coated with 3 coats of resin

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/j9qt6bbNp4wzhR81ApNxSaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Bilge painted white gelcoat. I only got a pint because HOLY COW that stuff is expensive. A pint was almost enough. Coverage was thin in some places but I think I'm going to call it good enough. It's the bilge for cryin out loud.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yNj2j5DIZK_YDyHGVcKJv6HCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Floor is sanded, cleaned, degreased. Ready for truck bed coating tomorrow.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l-KK3VPEEuoRkPrIWQvAhKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

You can see here some of the thin areas of the bilge

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7ZajFHGuDJ284jTknPnCuKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I sanded the floor until it was smooth (ish) to the touch. BIG MESS. I hope it's enough. There's a little voice in my head that says I should just glue down carpet and save the 100 bucks.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/U6CcU4CJYL_kJ3hvQR2TPKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

It's not smooth by any measure, but it's smooth enough to be a floor on a boat. Solid too, which is a new thing. Gaps are sealed up with PL, everything is tabbed to everything, and that transom is on the money. I'm both excited and really nervous to see how the drive fits in the hole, how the bolt holes line up, etc. I still have to gelcoat the stern. I'm going to ask my wife to do the color mixing. I'm going to try to get a maroon as close as possible to the existing and blend it in on the corners. I'm not going to get excited about perfection in color, I now know that uniformity of thickness and surface is more important. I might be able to pull the motor out of the rat raft tomorrow. After that, I'm off again for a week or so (this time on vacation for myself!), but I think I'm close. Getting closer every day anyway.
 

JASinIL2006

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Did you seal the gaps in the deck with PL or PB? If it's the former --PL-- don't you need to wait at least 72 hours for it to cure? Or did you use Peanut butter?

Your boat is looking very nice. What bedliner are you using?

Jim
 

ster1

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Thanks Jim! I used PL. I put the last bit in there yesterday, and the data sheet suggests a 24 hour cure time but the wording is a bit vague. It's certainly sandable tonight (24hrs later) and I think by tomorrow it'll be completely cured. My plan is to use the rust-oleum liner. It's not as textured as rhino liner and not as thick but I'm hopeful a couple gallons can get a few good coats. I haven't seen anyone using it for marine use and I may be really screwing myself over, but we'll see. It'll either be a really nice floor or a giant mess.
 

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I'll be interested to hear how the floor covering works. I used Durabak and I'm very happy with it. I hope the Rustoleum stuff works out.
 

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https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1CiU11McGSF8p3Kc1_x6cqHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Everything is done, it seems.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wT85U-h_WPx6AYv3-bSBCaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

The Rust - Oleum is not nearly as thick as Rhino Liner, but for the moment it looks good, and it does have lots of rubber-ish traction bits in it.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SADRCAPkDK_fWmE7nDRm6qHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

It rolls on like hot pitch on a roof. Wierd stuff. I like the white / black of the bilge and floor.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-3sJdF2sOh-mK0oXxnOQ3KHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Pretty far from perfection, but I'm hopeful it will last awhile.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ueOqdc-q_swUFupRW_4fYKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I had problems with the final coat of gelcoat on the stern. I used laminating gelcoat with a wax for the final coat, everything brushed. After an overnight, it dried (cured?) to a dull tacky finish. NO LIKEY. I know it's not going to be smooth like the OEM finish but I still wanted a hard, shiny surface. After going back to the store where I purchased the materials, they advised me to put cellophane wrap all over it, and let it sit in the sun for awhile. This was taken last night, and almost immediately I could see the surface getting harder and a shiny. I let it sit in the sun all day today (a high of almost 100) and by the end of the day, it was MUCH BETTER. Still not 100% where I want to be with it, but I hope another day or 2 in the sun and it'll be fine. I don't want to take that gelcoat off and do it again!
 

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Back at it again. Everything is looking good so far...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ZhqVV6l9OPyq369AzmCy8qHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Sorry for the blurry pic. Not much to see really. All the electrics at the helm is done. Old wiring harness removed, new wiring installed. All control cables ready too. The steering system is obsolete but working. I'll have to spend the bucks on a teleflex system soon but for now, it will be fine.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/iUvxQ8wb95kJ6RW4cE5V5aHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Everything back here is looking ok too. Bilge pump installed, not much to say until motor goes in.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/GZ1OYj72PpXLiCspP8RblqHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

All the transom through fittings installed and sealed with 3M 5200. That's some goopy stuff and I wasn't ready to make it very clean. The transom looks questionable anyway. I bet I end up re-doing it this winter. The gelcoat I mean. It's just not as hard as I would like, which means I believe, not cured correctly. I'm just not willing to go there right now. I'm too eager to get on the water. I know that attitude WILL come back to bite me.

Hopefully will pull the donor engine tomorrow. Transom shield seal kit and alignment tool should arrive tomorrow too. I'm really getting itchy.
 
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I've set a fairly ambitious splash day of Wednesday next week. I'm probably kidding myself but I'm going to shoot for that. I'm almost done rebuilding the transom assembly with new bellows (those are a PITA), seals, gimbal bearing etc. I took the bell housing to my local Merc dealer Mercs and More to have the modification for the new style shift cable done. All that's involved is to have the old cable boss threaded all the way through the housing. The old style cable threaded from the front of the bell housing which meant the housing had to be removed to replace the shift cable that got roasted by the exhaust pipe. When you burn the new one, its threaded from the back of the bell housing so it's a TON easier to replace. Clever. It strikes me how simple and yet clever the engineering is on the Merc drives VS OMC. It seems to me that OMC went way too far in the over engineering department, making a lot of stuff overly complicated. I can see where they were coming from but there's a place for complex and there's a place for simple. I like simple.

If I can get the transom assy done today and installed, I can install the engine too. I think if I can get that far, I might actually make a Wednesday goal. Time will tell.
 

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I jinxed myself, I shouldn't have mentioned the splash day. I had a setback yesterday. A few days ago, I dry fitted the inner transom shield and had ot modify 2 of my holes with a rat tail file to make all the bolts slide in and out easily. Got that done, holes re-treated with a few coats of resin and thought I was on my way. Yesterday when I went to dry fit the whole thing together, it bound up on me. I didn't have time to find out what went wrong but something isn't right. I figured if I could mount the transom assembly yesterday, even though it was only 4 days that would give the 5200 I was using enough time to cure. Well even if I figure it out today and get that all fixed up, it would only be three days, and I sure wouldn't want to ruin the seal by getting it wet too soon. Damn!
 

ster1

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Made some good progress today

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Vvfmj4NuDYfGnWl83KC_oaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I had 6 bolt holes around the keyhole. 4 out of the 6 were right on the money and just needed a little cleaning up from gelcoat, etc to be right. The top 2 holes were exactly 1/2 inch too high. I don't know what happened there but once I figured out what was happening, some time with the rat tail file set me straight. Made the gasket out of rubberized cork material from my local auto parts store, and sealed it in with 5200. I doubt that stuff will be cured enough for a Wednesday splash.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Bh9qMfNUUS92WERwWJNGMKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DpsCKvh-TzahDaLij45Ww6HCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

That's the 6 going in. I used that opportunity to install a oil drain kit. Its essentially a 3 foot hose connected to the drain that makes the oil changes a little easier.

There it is.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/U0sJZguZdKgk6jySLy2tbqHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

I used my OMC Select Trim front engine support because I couldn't find the proper Merc part. That particular motor disintegrated years ago and I set the trim at about 5 degrees using a screwdriver and it was fine ever since. I little unorthodox but it'll work fine.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_rPvvJdmwD_bafUJHm8QW6HCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Notice how close to the edge the support bracket mounts are. That's a miscalculation on my part. I have some 15 degree bevel washers I'm going to use for those inner lag screws to get em to bite more into the wood. Also that front bulkhead could use to be a little more forward to give room for the fuel lines to be dressed over the engine support bracket. Not going to make that change now, I'll just try to dress the cables out of the way

By the way, here's a closeup of the new style shift lever as it comes out of the bellhousing. I was told by the mechanic not to let any more than one thread show on that brass fitting or else my reverse won't work right. I cranked that thing down in there as far as I thought I could get away with using my special Frankenstein design deep socket.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zT-WbYTFbkdeURzYjDmgHaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

It's just a 6 point Craftsman socket welded to some other crappy one I had sitting around.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HU0FuE3DjS9iHBTyd_q4hKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Not a thing of beauty but it worked.
 

ster1

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I'm having trouble with the alignment. Anyone have any tips for me? I can adjust that engine until it looks dead on when I look into it from the drive end but I can't get that tool in there all the way. The only thing I can think of is I may have some sort of lateral misalignment, is that even possible? I've also tried loosening all the mount bolts and lifting the engine and letting it settle again in case some binding might have occurred. I would appreciate some pointers anyone might have.
 

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Nevermind. I found out I got the wrong tool. Yes, my tool is too big.
 

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I didn't splash yesterday unfortunately. I was very close but kept having small problems like gaskets that chose yesterday to spring a leak. Better in the driveway then on the lake I guess. The nail in the coffin came at about 2:00 when I was FINALLY ready to go. I started to bring the drive up and I blew a trim hose. UGH. Oil all over the place and not enough time to run out and get it fixed before I was supposed to be at my in-laws for dinner. Damn. Next week hopefully.
 

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Finally splashed today! Things went mostly well but there are a few shakedown issues to fix. Being in Colorado, I've found I usually have to mess with the idle mixture screws quite a bit until I get the idle I want and a smooth transition to higher rpm and this is no exception. Also the thing pulls really hard to the left under full power. No biggie on either one of those issues, just tweaking. The one thing that has me flummoxed is the trim. I can put it all the way down, and run er up and within a few minutes on plane, the drive starts to come up on its own! That's so weird. I would imagine the opposite would ne true if anything. The drive doesn't come down on its own. I have to lower it while underway and ot goes back down. This could be a dangerous situation, no? If I forget to pay attention to the trim gauge that thing could come up too far and cause damage supposedly. Anyway, any pointers on the trim weirdness would be appreciated. I'm getting to the point I think soon where I'm going to stop posting in this thread because the job is essentially done. Not until I post up some more pics though :)
 

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As promised, last post and last few pics.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/18t0LXv8XGWoDEywl6SJw6HCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Just launched at a local reservoir outside of Denver, CO

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9baH3ElO929i8ernppWrOaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

That inline 6 chugging along smoothly

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ePK2dzUrGAWdPOL3CUukOKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

nothing in the bilge but a little dirt. Everything is looking good.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DYPgwe6XsMIp-47i4Y7p3qHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

A poor quality video

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AQ0o2gAbXEB142sVrp0DSaHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Hot air balloons at the lake. That was fun.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FSZ202GoAUO-bVEma569cKHCuTx9N85ff0vacwuIzpg?feat=directlink

Life as its supposed to be.

Id like to take a moment and thank everyone who helped me out with advice and general comisery. Jim, Chris, Woodonglass, Mwe-maxxowner, Gwpsr, and Bomber if I ever get the chance, beers are on me. Thanks yall!
 
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