1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

It's normal for the primer bulb to be soft when running. Only gets hard when priming.
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

If it quits after a minute of running, try a test. Constantly prime the fuel hose bulb. This will force extra fuel into the carbs. If the engine runs just fine as long as you constantly prime the bulb, you've got a fuel delivery problem. Could be a weak fuel pump, etc.
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

got it running pretty good till the rain hit, was idling okay and took it up to 2500 rpm, started to shake a bit a sound rough, hoping its just some built up grbage

where is the fuel pump located ? there are 2 smaller rectangle boxes with a rounded head inline with fuel hosing but no electrical connection
 

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There are 3/8 fuel lines at each carb, follow them from carbs back, they will all run to one single line, and then to the fuel pump.....do you still have the vro pump?

Do u have a timing light? The type you use for a vehicle? If you do, use it to see if you have spark on all cylinders, on my motor, i used this method, and was able to tell i had weak/intermittent spark on the starboard side.......my problem was the stator....my motor would also run rough at about 2500 rpm in tge water under load, in neutral it ran great. ...also, dont be afraid to change out the spark plugs. Fuel and/or ignition problems can foul a plug quick, youll end up fixing your problem and youl never know it if u have a fouled plug.....their cheap for that motor, so replace them, see what you get.....but try the spark test first.....if you got great spark, and it still runs bad, could have fouled a plug.......brand new plugs can foul at the drop of a hat, so just cause their new, doesnt mean they are good......

I just noticed you asked if it would run rough if not all cylinders were firing.......mine idled so great i thought it was a fuel issue, but if fact three cylinders were firing weak ar not at all....,sometimes a spark issue will not be noticed if your not in the water and under a load (boat in gear and throttle applied.).....
 
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That unit came with a single, rather large combination fuel/oil pump. Port side of the engine. Sits just back from the airbox at the side of the front of the block. This system requires a fairly large oil reservoir under the rear splashwell. Sometimes folks convert these engines to the older style premix pumps. That installation called for dual pumps located in the exact same area. Either will work fine. You just need to know where you are putting the oil into the system. The dual premix pumps don't have any electrical connection and do not require that large oil reservoir.
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

the vro was removed about 10 years ago, and i have the light and checked, spark on all cylanders. running well now. left it running for about 20. getting new plugs in the mail next week. i swapped out some fuel line that was gummed up/sludge

unfortunately blew out the starter solenoid, came back to start up and got nothing, jumped over the solenoid and the starter engaged. used a volt, meter and was receiving on both ends of the solenoid
 

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also. if the fuel oil combo pump doesnt have electical how does it function? any way to test it? im lightly confused bc i see some changes made from diagramns presumably when the vro was changed so ima have to find an article to read up on
 

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The original VRO and the replacement dual pumps work off crankcase pulses. Those pulses cause the internal rubber bladder to pump fuel into the engine. Your dual pumps draw alternating suction/pressure off the #4 and #6 cyls on the port side. Strictly a mechanical mechanism. Noting electrical to it. (The old/original VRO did have an electronic warning signal if the pump started to have problems.)
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

You can test them with a fuel pressure gauge if you think you have a problem.
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

Im just curious,.,why do you have to order plugs, your local autozone will have them, the plugs for this motor are cheap...regular automotive plugs...
And give us an update, where are you at at this point....what issues are you still having?
 

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Hey that solenoid should be pretty simple, you may be able to get an old ford solenoid instead of ordering one from a marine shop, i know ot will function correctly, but not sure if it will mount properly...
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

i found that solenoid at the marina i used to work at, ten bucks, mounted and works great
as far as the plugs, i didnt need them at right away and got them, 2 new ignition packs( replace bad ones), and a new impeller.... i was already ordering parts so didnt think to run up to the store
 

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as far as progress, the engine starts up great and after running a few gallons thru it seems to be running quite a bit better. the lower unit leaks water, buta mechanic at the marina i worked with said this is normal, does everyone agree? also leaking water from the left side thermostat, will be correcting that next... also trim and tilt is bit screwed, only goes down... will also be opening that up to take a look, any suggestions? thanks for the help
 

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ive been having to run the motor with the primer solenoid, setting choke directly down, takes awhile of tinkering to set it back to the normal run position and the engine not shutting off... thinking the bad spark pack and maybe lagging/ insufficient fuel pump is the problem
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

Having to use the primer valve clearly indicates a problem with fuel delivery.---That could be a carburetor problem.--------Then again if there is an internal engine problem that could be the issue.--------If motor is not pulling the proper amount of air through a carburetor it simply will not work.-----What are the results of a compression test ?
 
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How well did you clean the carbs? Ive seen people clean the carbs and miss some of the tiny holes in the jets. Could be why your having to use the choke primer, i think that primer dumps a little extra fuel in the motor, not positive though....

As far as the lower unit leakin water, do u mean in with the gear oil? I would have to say no not normal, maybe a common problem with that particular lower unit, but i would say not normal.....i hope not anyway, mine leaks too, and im getting ready to put new seals in it, so someone else, please tell us this is a common problem and not "normal".....
 
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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

i cleaned them pretty well i thought, not that i didnt miss anything, never done one before. i did get into the jets but i will be removing them and checking over

the lower unit leaks water not oil... and yes, common not normal

the compression test were good, each came back within 2-4 psi of each other
 

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lower unit started to seep out some light black fluid, assuming its gear oil and a bad seal, should be an easy fix.... focusing on the gas issue as well as why i cant run past 3000 rpms. o would choke have anything to do with this ?
 

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disconnected the temp unit and ran up to 6000....
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 150 - Engine wont star, need some advice!

The temp senders on that engine should not be connected to anything in the ignition system. That started in 89 when they went to the single power pack and SLOW came out on those XP/GT engines with the 35 amp alternators. Maybe you have an 89...?
 
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