1991 Force 70hp dies

Chris73Cobia

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Motor is a revision B 1991 Force 70HP. Recently rebuilt.

It's winter time so I'm going to be doing some work fixing up the boat and praying for an early spring. Anyway I've got 4 things that are of concern, in no particular order:

1. The motor stalls in gear at idle sometimes (usually when I'm trying to pull into the ramp against the river current, which is about the worst time for it to stall).

2. Starts fine at the ramp, run 3 miles up river no problem, but after 45 minutes of fishing it's time to move elsewhere and the motor does the following:

Starts fine, but at about 2000 rpm (just starting to plane) the sound changes from revving upwards to drowning (its a growling deep sound) and if I continue pressing the throttle it will die (I've got to back down and try again). After 3 or 4 times throttling up and down it will "catch" and rev to 5000 no problems. The "old man at the ramp" who seems to know about everything said it's probably a fuel pump or air getting into the fuel line. I'm not sure how old the fuel tank is, nor the pump, so I was thinking replace both and go from there, but does anyone have input on that?

3. The plug to open and remove the gear oil is a flat head and it's stripped to the point I cant get it open (I think it was overtightened), are there any "magic tricks" besides taking it and having it drilled out?

4. I run my oil a bit rich, like 45:1, but I seem to go through plugs 3 times per season, and I know when it's time if it gives any lick of trouble starting on a day over 75 degrees (I have the magic Force that starts quickly every time, unless it's just coming out from the winter, or it's really cold out). Is it odd to go through so many sets of plugs?
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

Fill out the profile.

#1 Idle set too low.Should be about 750rpm in gear.

#2 Fuel delivery,fuel pump rebuild.Check for air leaks at the quick connectors.
Bad squeeze ball,gunk in the carb or water in the fuel.

#3 Get the biggest screwdriver from Sears/Craftsman. You have a Dremmel?
Cutting off the rounded edges can help.Any marine supply will have a new one. I believe the jap motor use a smaller plug.Any OMC/Mercury will work.

#4 You actuall do damage by running it too rich. The carbon will build up faster.Then the rings will seize.Then it's time for a rebuild.
Use a good oil.Then regularly use Seafoam Or Power Tune.
I like Power Tune best.Some will say Seafoam is best.They both work.

Use Power Tune and spray about 1/2 inch in a cup.Put your used plugs in it over night or even all week.Then clean them with carb cleaner. They should be useable time and time again.J
 

Chris73Cobia

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

#1. I'm running about 700 in gear, I can up it some.
#2. These are what I'm told. I have a screen prefilter that has the glass thing, there is always some air in there, but not much once I get the motor going.
#3. Good idea.
#4. I run seafoam in the gas frequently, mainly to stabilize the fuel. I'll run the "clean out" procedure on the motor and get back to running as close to 50:1 as I can mix. I have been using high quality oil though, synthetic pennzoil was on sale here a while back $4/gal so I bought them out (like 10 gallons).


Fill out the profile.


#1 Idle set too low.Should be about 750rpm in gear.



#2 Fuel delivery,fuel pump rebuild.Check for air leaks at the quick connectors.
Bad squeeze ball,gunk in the carb or water in the fuel.

#3 Get the biggest screwdriver from Sears/Craftsman. You have a Dremmel?
Cutting off the rounded edges can help.Any marine supply will have a new one. I believe the jap motor use a smaller plug.Any OMC/Mercury will work.

#4 You actuall do damage by running it too rich. The carbon will build up faster.Then the rings will seize.Then it's time for a rebuild.
Use a good oil.Then regularly use Seafoam Or Power Tune.
I like Power Tune best.Some will say Seafoam is best.They both work.

Use Power Tune and spray about 1/2 inch in a cup.Put your used plugs in it over night or even all week.Then clean them with carb cleaner. They should be useable time and time again.J
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

You won't ever get all the air in the line unless you tilt the hose and screw with it.
You should have a water/fuel sep filter.Then a small in-line particle filter.
Re build the fuel pump and clean the carbs.
Any quick connects even a new squeezie can be bad.J
 

roscoe

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

What jerry said.
Rebuild the fuel pump. Parts are $20 from any Mercury dealer, usually comes with instruction sheet.

If the pump diaphram is going bad, it will leak into the powerhead, flooding out a cylinder, causing the symptoms you describe.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

To remove the drain plug, go to SEARS and buy the IMPACT screwdriver. It will cost less than having someone remove the plug for you and you will have a handy tool. Use the largest slotted screwdriver tip that comes with it.

Because you hammer on the end while it is turning, the impact screwdriver tends to stay in the slot, even when it is messed-up. Be careful if you use this tool to tighten, though. You can generate enough force to strip the threads or snap the screw.
 

Chris73Cobia

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

Thanks guys I'll definitely look into that impact driver. I pulled the boat out today and did all the winterizing things (Stabil, fogging oil etc). One thing I noticed, there was a small gas leak on the input side of the fuel pump, so that'll help I'm sure.

I did notice two more things :( The tach shows 200 rpm while the starter is spinning the motor, but drops to 0 when the motor starts. Clearly the connection between the tach and motor is okay, so that's kind of weird. It's also running a bit rougher than I remember. I should have recorded some of it to post the audio/video, but every few seconds it would go from 'pu pu pu pu pu pu pu' to ' pu pu pu puuu pup upu pu pu puuu' and the motor would shake. Without the tach can't tell the rpm drop, but it was notable. This didn't go away with high idle, but was less noticeable.

I pulled the plugs and all 3 looked the same, a bit of oil, no carbon.

Could the fuel pump be causing the miss, or should I be looking elsewhere when I pull it out in Feb.
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: 1991 Force 70hp dies

Yup the fuel pump could be causing a miss.So could water.So could a bad coil.So could a loose wire/connection.J
 
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