23' Lonestar Cabin Cruiser. Converting to an outboard.

jbcurt00

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You might have success filling the 1/4" holes, but I doubt you'll have much luck filling a 3" hole w/ those rods. The large holes are probably best covered w/ sheet aluminum, cut to cover +/- an 1" larger, slathered w/ 5200 & riveted down around the edge............ Might even need a backer plate to reinforce the area surrounding the hole.

Or depending on where the holes are exactly, you might cover them w/ something else that you want to add in roughly that location.

Jasoutside covered several w/ Bert's tracks (fishing tackle setup), air vents, and maybe something else too, but it escapes me what. IDK, lights maybe.....
 

maryhannaj

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Hey 63cruiser. Good to see you here. I would like to offer up a suggestion on your problem with the 20 or so holes. This is a bit more extensive of a repar, but I was reading through your thread and I would like to offer an idea that comes to mind. I think this is what I would do if I were in your shoes.
The first couple of patches would be kind of like gearing up, but then I believe you could kind of assembly line type work the rest of them. Especially if most of your holes are the same size. I will try and explain my idea for you and give you a list of a few things you'll need.

1. A drill and a few 3/16 drill bits.
2. Dremel tool with some small diameter router bits.
3. Grease pen or thin sharpie.
4. Pop riveter and some 3/16 diameter rivets. Use rivets at least 1/4 inch or so longer than the combined thickness of your patching material and hull.
5. 2 or 3 square feet of patching tin or aluminum. Preferably aluminum.
6. Waterproof flexible epoxy or sealer of some kind( maybe ask jbcurt00 about what type of sealer to use. Im not sure exactly on that subject, sorry.)
7. Some sand paper of a medium grit.

Ok, here's how I would do it.

1. For a 1/4 in. diameter hole; with the dremel and router bit, cut a 1 inch semi-square hole around it and and keep the cut-out as intact as possible. Make sure it is not a hard cornered cut out. Hard corners will allways stress tear while under flexing torsion movement. That's why aircraft have rounded windows etc...
2. Trace the cut-out onto a small section of the patching material.
3. Use the dremel and cut the 1 inch semi-square patch out of the patching material.
4. Trace that patch out for as many holes as that size cut-out will repair.
5. Now trace that 1 inch semi-square patch over the holes that you want to repair.
6. Next out of the patching material, cut two 2 inch semi-square patches for every one repair you will make.
7. Sand the inner and outer surfaces of the repair area to bare metal out to about 3 square inches around the repair area and clean thoroughly with some thinner or alcohol.
8. Rough the surfaces on both sides of all of your patches and clean them thoroughly as well.
9. Spread a layer of epoxy etc... on one side of one of the 2 inch patches. Place the patch semetrically around the cut-out on one side of the hull and press it firmly against the hull to create a seal while you place the smaller patch inside of the martching cut-out. Now run your finger around the diameter of the small patch to wipe off the excess epoxy, and at the same time fill the gap in between the cut-out and the cut-out patch. Let the epoxy harden.
10. Once the epoxy is hardened, use the drill and 3/16 drill bit to drill a hole 1/4 inch in from the edge of each corner of the large patch and one hole the same distance in but in between each of the corner holes( like in the tips of the lines on a British flag) through to the other side of the hull.
11. Now use the sharpie to mark the drill points on the matching 2 inch patch for the opposite side by lining the patch up over the repair area and poking the sharpie through the drilled holes against the patch. This way you can make sure that the larger patches match each other semetrically on each side of the hull.
12. Now drill out the holes in the second patch and dry fit the holes by pushing the rivets through the patch and hull to the other side. Make sure the rivets fit through the patch to the other side without binding up causing a serious bow or bend in the patch.
13. Sand over the patches mating surface again to make sure there is no bulging and hardened epoxy that came through from the other side. Clean the area thoroughly.
14. Spread a layer of epoxy onto the 2 inch patch and press it firmly against the hull and insert all of the rivets into their holes so that the patch wont shift out of place while you pop the rivets through.
15. Begin to pop the rivets through starting at one of the holes in between the corners and working to the opposite side in the pattern of a cross. Then pop down the corners from edge to edge.
16. This should force excess epoxy out from underneath of the patch. Now just run your finger around the edges of the patch to smooth the epoxy and fill in any gaps that might have been created by smashing the patch against the hull by popping the rivets through.

So basically what you are doing is filling the cut-out back in with a matching piece and sandwiching it together with two larger patches on each side of the hull with some rivets to keep it all in place and some epoxy to hold everything in place while you work on it. And also to keep the layers of metal seperated from each other helping to reduce the chances of corrosion in between them and to help keep the water out.
Sorry it seems like such a process, but if you chose to try it in one area and it worked out for you, then it would be a pretty quick process for your repair once you had everything traced, cut and sanded. From there you could really get rockin on it and have her patched up and painted over in no time. Oh sorry, and I forgot to mention the paint part and that you'll want to use an epoxy etc... that paint will adhere to as well. Good luck and sweet old Lonestar man!
 

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I had tons of little holes all over my starchief, I used jbweld to fill them, then prime and paint over the top after sanding them perfect.

Can't even tell they were once there :)
 
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64osby

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63 - JB Weld does do a great job on the little holes. I use a small piece of alum scrap as a backer.

Also you can post up to 5 pictures at one time (one post). - Just letting you know.

For the breather holes you could find or make some nice alum or SS covers and rivet them in place.

Good Luck and have fun.
 

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Interested in watching your progress! I have a 58 Lonestar Cruiseliner that is an I/O as well - whether it was originally that way or modified later, I don't know, but the seams on the engine well area made me think it was original. I can see on the outside the rivets for the "bat wing" that one commenter called the sidewalls, that honestly don't appear to serve much purpose to the I/O engine well. So maybe mine was originally an OB too. Here's a pic of it. It's actually not in too bad shape - a recent (in last 20 years) paint job that's held up fairly well - interior is rough, and the 120 mercruiser is questionable. But I got it cheap and intend to do something with it - some day!Lonestar_3.jpg
 

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PS - I think you've got a 59 there. I've seen another site with the "smooth" side cruiseliners like ours. His quote was something to the effect that the 57 didn't have the prow windows, and the 59 didn't have the "fins". Mine, and his, have both. Without the fins, I'd call yours a 59 if he's right. Unless the fins were removed, which is possible but a shame.
 

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PS - I think you've got a 59 there. I've seen another site with the "smooth" side cruiseliners like ours. His quote was something to the effect that the 57 didn't have the prow windows, and the 59 didn't have the "fins". Mine, and his, have both. Without the fins, I'd call yours a 59 if he's right. Unless the fins were removed, which is possible but a shame.

Psst, dust off this thread & update us @what's up w/ yours to date & what you plan to do on it:
[h=1]1962 24 (or 26?)-foot lonestar cabin cruiser[/h]
Love the big ole vintage tin tubs :watermelon:

I do think they are both OB conversions, not oddball factory I/O's.
 

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Have been busy at work and seems like rain the last few weekends but a 4 day weekend for Thanksgiving and the wife and kids went to the in laws, great time to work on the boat. Wed. after work got all the stuff I needed to set up my welder for aluminum( 100% argon bottle, aluminum wire, new tips, and a stainless steal wire brush that I only use for aluminum) went by the real "old man hardware store" and got a few pieces of square aluminum tubing to practice with and to do some test fitting( turned out its too big). Got up Thanksgiving morning thinking I had it all figured out, I watched probably 20 youtube videos on welding aluminum and read tons of forums. Everyone said its HARD, well they were all wrong its HARD as F. Took forever trying to get machine set up not to burn threw splatter everywhere, burn tips, wire bunching up. Finally figured it out though. Took a few pics along the way. Now just need another tank of argon and figure out the size of square tubing I need and I'll be off to see the wizard. IMG_20131128_135807_620.jpgIMG_20131129_160137_895.jpgIMG_20131129_160141_949.jpgIMG_20131129_160200_257.jpgIMG_20131129_161140_091.jpg
 

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Everyone said its HARD, well they were all wrong its HARD as F. Took forever trying to get machine set up not to burn threw splatter everywhere, burn tips, wire bunching up. Finally figured it out though. ]

:) Yea, once the aluminum starts to melt ya got to move right along or you will blow a hole in it. From what I see in the picks you didn't do to awful bad. Good luck.
 

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Just got back from Portland, found a good deal on some .090 aluminum sheet. Got lost couldnt find the other metal store so I will have to wait on the square tubing. In the morning I am going to go up to the home depot see if they have any huge card board boxes so I can make a template of the transome to cut out the on the sheet. Excited to do some real work on it. I will take some pictures and make some notes on what I am doing.
 

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Had some ok weather new years day so got some work done, made a template of the transome with some of that stuff that they make the backs of cheapo tv stand backs of. The guy at the lumber yard said "oh yea its easy to cut with a box cutter". I guess I am just weakest man this side of the Mississippi because I could not get it to cut "easy". Well I got cut out and traced the template on the sheet of aluminum and started going to town with "ol trusty ryobi 29 dollar 4 1/2 angle grinder that once cut a ford ranger in half. 3/4 of the way threw and this happened.(see pic) So went to the friendly place and got a new one. Finished cutting, and put the tar stuff all over the original transome and clamped in the new sheet. Going to try to weld the new piece in this weekend and start the structural part. IMG_20140101_123045_315.jpgIMG_20140101_125702_479.jpgIMG_20140101_151148_812.jpgIMG_20140101_154644_940.jpgIMG_20140103_171141_658.jpg
 

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Looks like you're movin along there man. Nice work.
 

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Found a great price on a 78 Johnson 140 long shaft. How will this motor do on my boat? Thanks.
 

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A bit better then the factory rated max of 120hp.
 

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How are you going to handle the transom? The original cut out was for an outboard transom. With the added IO keyhole. :facepalm:
 

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I am going to build a frame from aluminum square tubing and reinforce it with square tubing with the splash well and the floor joist.
Do you know what the rated hp for an outboard is for my boat. thanks
 

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I got the first square tubing in. Measuring and cutting the angle was much harder than I thought. I think I am going to go pick up one of these.___ Multipurpose Angle Finder __ Started raining. Now its snowing and 10 day forecast does not look fun. At least I can look out the back window and dream about how great its going to be. transom 1.jpg
 

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Had a nice day today. got some work done cutting and tacking and removed from the transom. Outline is tacked together and I will reinforce it in the morning and completely weld all seams. Will be nice to get back into the boat and weld to the back plate. Then the fun with the splashwell and reinforcing the transom for the motor. transom22.jpgtransome 11.jpg
 

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Brings back memories. I had a late 60's Lonestar that I never got around to restoring back in the early 90's. Life got in the way and I passed her on to the next guy. Wonder where she is now.
 
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