25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

bkdlays

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Hey guys. Im new here. My name is Jim and I just got a 25' Larson Senza.
It has a 7.4l 454 with a Mercruiser Bravo I Drive (I believe)

Scratch that- It is a 7.5l 460 with a Cobra Drive I have been told below!

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I have quite a few questions about the boat. I have already learned quite a bit just reading on these forums.


I do not have a vast boating background, but I am very skilled in electrical diagnostic and general automotive. I hope to be able to help others with their troubleshooting.

I guess Ill just make a list and see what people have to think. If this is not proper please let me know and I will break up the post.


My first problem is the boat leans to the left. Is there something that can be adjusted? It is noticeable at higher speeds when the boat is on plane and when turning left its particularity bad. The bottom of the skeg is broken off, but its a small piece. Could this cause this? I didn't pull the plug on the boat last time it was out, but i cannot see how this would cause it either?


The motor runs ok when cold, but once its hot its temperamental about restarting. It takes quote a bit and then sometimes it will stall out when you first put it into gear. Today it would simply not restart when hot. It acted like it was flooded out. Once it cooled it started and ran fine.

I believe the shift cable is stretched or bent. Previously the boat would only go forward no matter what position the throttle was (forward or reverse) I tested the cutoff switch and it seems to be working.. just not at the right time always. We adjusted and lubed the cable and get ok performance out of it, but its not right. I think changing the cable will help some of my problems.

The carb looks brand new. I belive the boat is running rich though. The exhaust smells very rich. When putting around at slow speed it backfires once in a while. It feels loaded up and you need to open it up to clear it, it seems. For a 7.4 I would expect better throttle response from this boat.

The ignition system seems antiquated. My mechanic tried to check the timing, but he wasn't sure if it had an ignition advance. I read about the thunderbird ignition I believe. It was said to have a wire on the carb, like this.

Wouldn't it make sense to simply upgrade it to a new HEI system?

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That should cover me for now. Thanks for reading this far!
 
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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard Jim,...

Mercruiser Doesn't,+ Hasn't Ever used a Holley Carb,....
I suspect that your Holley has some Issues,....
Maybe a Rebuild,+ proper Set Up might help,... I don't do Holleys, so I can't help you there....
And,...
The Merc. T-Bolt igntion is about as Great as it gets,...No reason to change it out....
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

My first problem is the boat leans to the left.

Sounds like you've got a lot of weight on the left side of the boat. Batteries, junk in cabin, fuel tank, people, whatever. helm adjustable trim tabs would let you adjust it to level when you're running, but it would be better to find out the root cause and correct it.

Sounds like it definitely has carb problems. Need to spend a day with someone who knows how to set up a Holley (hopefully its a marine Holley - if not, change it now before your boat goes BOOM!) or get a manual on setting it up - plenty of them out there. Wouldn't be surprised if it needs choke, accelerator pump, idle, main jet and secondary adjustments. No telling what it was originally set up for. Lots of people are bad about just slapping a carb on an engine and being happy if it runs!
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

The fastest way to remedy your carb issued may be to replace the Holley with a reconditioned/rebuilt original equipment model................................ They can be had for around $250.00 from places like iboats or flying fish marine carbs (just google them). And you can sell the Holley to offset the cost...............especially if it's not a marine carb as stated.
 

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................. When putting around at slow speed it backfires once in a while. It feels loaded up and you need to open it up to clear it, it seems.............................

I went back and re-read you original post............................Additionally backfiring through a Holley Carb..................................even once..................will blow out the power valve.....................that results in issues like you're currently seeing.............:(:(
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

Bondo said:
Mercruiser Doesn't,+ Hasn't Ever used a Holley Carb,....
I suspect that your Holley has some Issues,....
Maybe a Rebuild,+ proper Set Up might help,... I don't do Holleys, so I can't help you there....
And,...

Hmm.... i dunno about that one bondo... While I've never seen a holley on a stock merc, Manual 3 covers holley 4bbl's. Then again, if this guy's motor is stock, then manual 3 is gonna be to old for that motor..... so who really knows!?!?!?!?


Jim, Can you post the engine serial ##, along with a few more pics of the motor. We really need to ID what you have.
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

Thanks for all the responses guys!

Regarding the leaning... the batteries are on the right side.. and the fuel filler is also on that side... the tank is centered I believe? The cabin is empty also. I don't believe it will affect the leaning to the left.

What about trim tabs? Would this not be a good solution to this problem? Or should I really determine why its leaning before trying to cover it up?


One of the tags reads "TN198714 GEMINI II" I will look for another. I have not been able to properly identify my type of drive. Most of the tags are worn. I will work on that.
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

My first problem is the boat leans to the left.
Best to post that type of question over in the Boat Questions and Topics, (Not engine topics) and save your engine and drive questions for this forum.

As LT mentioned, one backfire and the power valve is gone on a Holley. I would be looking for the proper Weber carb for it.

Just to give you some reading material, here are links to online service manuals for your engine and outdrive. Just download them to your computer.

Here is the Outdrive manual
http://www-alt.mercurymarine.com/mnetdata/SERVICE/CRUISER/Servmanl/11/11covr5x.pdf

And here is one for your engine.
http://www-alt.mercurymarine.com/mnetdata/SERVICE/CRUISER/Servmanl/15/cover.pdf
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

Best to post that type of question over in the Boat Questions and Topics, (Not engine topics) and save your engine and drive questions for this forum.

As LT mentioned, one backfire and the power valve is gone on a Holley. I would be looking for the proper Weber carb for it.

Just to give you some reading material, here are links to online service manuals for your engine and outdrive. Just download them to your computer.

Here is the Outdrive manual
http://www-alt.mercurymarine.com/mnetdata/SERVICE/CRUISER/Servmanl/11/11covr5x.pdf

And here is one for your engine.
http://www-alt.mercurymarine.com/mnetdata/SERVICE/CRUISER/Servmanl/15/cover.pdf

Don, do you have a manual for my 888 Mercruiser combo? It's a 1976 on a Sea Ray SRV 190, I would greatly appreciate it!

thanks!

On the leaning, has someone put a whale tale aftermarket planer ion it? If so, that's probably it. I can tell you that it screwed me on mine tilkl I figured it out. I also agree with everyone here about that Holley, someone put it on trying to get more top end and it probably worked for a while. Put a MARINE carb back on it and youll get way better overall performance and fuel mileage.
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

all single screw boats list to the left to some degree... some worse than others. you may have a rocker on your hull, or that may just be the way it is. do you have a torque tab on it and if so what way is it turned?
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

Ok got some more pics...

Does Holley not make a Marine carb? What is oem spec on this boat? Weber?

Also can anyone help me verify what type of drive is on the boat?

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On the motor
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On the drive

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

How on gods green earth did you get mercuiser bravo from "OMC"????????????????????????????????????????????????

Good thing i asked for pictures

Your problems is that it's an OMC.....
Cobra drive.....
and at 1990....
Its probably gonna be a clutch dog cobra....
Loose the boat... or open your wallet :)
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

You also don't have a 7.4L. That engine is a Ford.
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

It's also a 460 FORD, not a 454 Chevy. :eek: :eek: :eek:

It is the clutch dog style outdrive.
Your raw water pump impeller is also in the drive.
 

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Re: 25' 1990 Larson Senza 7.4 - Couple of questions

In 1990 the 460 was mated up to a cone clutch drive. That drive is a dog clutch drive.

You also have a points type ignition. Only advance is mechanical within the distributor
 

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yep thats a 460.... And i hope ya never need manifolds or a coupler for that thing.
and i hope your rich.
 

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Thanks again guys.. the seller was clueless.. I only know what I was told.. or tried to figure out..

I would love a build sheet for this boat.. is that possible?

I was also told OMC is the parent company of Mercruiser...

So now back to my problems.... Is that Holley carb more reasonable on a 460 or is is still wrong?

So it is a "Cobra" drive? Made by OMC I assume?

Is this a bad combination?

I am trying to locate the trim sender and shift cable currently. It should be much easier now that I know what it is.
 

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I was also told OMC is the parent company of Mercruiser...

Not only NO, but ell NO!!!!

Besides OMC went out of buisness about 10 years ago.

Yes, the Holley is normal on a 460, and the drive is a clutch dog OMC King Cobra. And what is a "Build Sheet"
 

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So is the 7.5 with the OMC Cobra a bad combo?

Are you saying the parts are expensive? Or worse are they not available?

A build sheet = In my industry anyways, trucks, when a truck is new there is a sheet that shows every option and part that the assembly line uses.. such as the motor.. transmission... alternator rating.. etc.. its very helpfull in times like this where we have nothing to go on. Lucky for this forum and a lot of knowledgable people out there!

What would you value this boat at anyways? It seemed like a great deal when I thought it had a 7.4 with a Mercruiser Bravo.. but now things have changed.
 

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bkdlays said:
Are you saying the parts are expensive? Or worse are they not available?

both

your not going to find any kind of build sheet

can you return the boat.... its going to be a headache and nickle and dime you to death.... or worse!!
 
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