3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

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Hi,
Ok guys, I need a little help on my 1986 3.7 190.
So far I have been out exactly 5 times this year and have limped back every time. Here is history of problems and work done so far this season.
Let's start by saying that my last outing of last year (after running perfect all season) the boat developed a non-idle condition. I thought, no big deal I'll rebuild the carb in the Spring. I winterized, fogged treated fuel and put away for Winter.

>Changed all fuel filters (twice)
>Changed all fuel lines including fill and vent
>Changed intake manifold gasket
>Changed carb base gasket
>Replaced points, condenser, cap, rotor, wires (twice), plugs (twice)
>New head gasket
>Replaced exhaust manifold and elbow with a decent used set and new thermostat, machined the surface of the manifold that elbow bolts to (note to self; if you shorten surface, you must shorten bolts or you will have re-do installation after filling cylinders with coolant)
>Removed, cleaned, tested and re-installed heat exchanger (4")

I think that covers most of it. Finally this Friday night I was able to head out fishing. Kept it local just in case. I was still having issues idling under 1000 rpms for any longer than a minute. At this point, I still haven't rebuilt carburetor, so I'm thinking "it must be that, it's all that' left". After running it up to full temp at 3200 RPMS I stopped and lifted the doghouse to inspect my work. This is when I noticed a light oil vapor coming from the breather hose. At this point I'm fed up.:frusty:
Any ideas what this may be? I'm thinking "rings"??? I don't think valves would do that??? It seams to definitely get worse as it get's to full temp (170 degrees)

Compression test while hot;
#1-142, #2-138, #3-130, #4-120
Coolant held 17 psi for two hours without changing
 

hivoltg

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

It could be crankcase splash. Oil level too high?

A simple way to cut down the misting and mess is to put a cloth wrist band over the breather.
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Oil is at proper level, just changed and checked.
Spark arrester was full of oil. I was thinking that the reason the idling worsened when hot was because the motor was trying to burn the oil mist. I also didn't like the compression in #4.
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

I would like to add that it runs like a champ anything over 1000 rpm. Cruises at 3200 perfectly. When I searched this forum for bad idle issues and looked in the manual, it points to compression or carb. I will rebuild the carb, but that wont stop the oily mist......
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Anyone???

Ayuh,.... Fix the Carb issue, 'n run 'er til she pukes,....

Yer idle problem is a Carb problem,...

'bout the only way a crankcase ventilation issue could effect the idle is if the flame arrester is oil soaked, 'n collected enough dirt to Plug it,...
Which of course cause an extremely Rich issue, 'n fouled plugs, more so than stallin' at idle, which is probably from a lean condition,...

What do the spark plugs say is goin' on,..??
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Compression looks a little low, could be rings. Try a "wet" compression test. Do your compression test, then repeat after you add a little engine oil to each cylinder. If the compression comes up significantly then your rings are probably worn and you are getting some blow by. If no change, could be valve guides or seals. In either case you should be OK till the end of the season and do a rebuild over the winter. Good luck.
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Thank you.
Plugs look normal, maybe a little on dark side and dry.
I originally thought the bad idle was caused by the failed riser and bad head gasket. Those problems have been corrected.
I will rebuild carb this week and see what the results are. The vapor wont cause me any issues??
Dave
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

OK, Thank you for your advice. I will rebuild carb and do a wet test. Looks like I will be pullin the motor and making a decision about it over the winter!
Have a good day
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Ayuh,.... Fix the Carb issue, 'n run 'er til she pukes,....

Yer idle problem is a Carb problem,...

'bout the only way a crankcase ventilation issue could effect the idle is if the flame arrester is oil soaked, 'n collected enough dirt to Plug it,...
Which of course cause an extremely Rich issue, 'n fouled plugs, more so than stallin' at idle, which is probably from a lean condition,...

What do the spark plugs say is goin' on,..??


BondO, I rebuilt the carb yesterday and she ran beautiful on the muffs! She was idling around 650 rpm for over an hour and never missed a beat. Gonna take her out in the Bay this afternoon and see how she does.
Thank you
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Compression looks a little low, could be rings. Try a "wet" compression test. Do your compression test, then repeat after you add a little engine oil to each cylinder. If the compression comes up significantly then your rings are probably worn and you are getting some blow by. If no change, could be valve guides or seals. In either case you should be OK till the end of the season and do a rebuild over the winter. Good luck.

Terry,
After a shakedown run today, I will re-do the compression test (dry first, then wet). One question; should this be performed on a hot or cold motor??
Thanks
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Terry,
After a shakedown run today, I will re-do the compression test (dry first, then wet). One question; should this be performed on a hot or cold motor??
Thanks
It would be good to know compression numbers for both hot and cold. If you have a poor cylinder reading when cold, but improves when hot, it's piece of mind and could be valves conforming to seat after warm.
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Compression tests are usually done warm if possible.
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Compression tests are usually done warm if possible.

Great, I'll do it warm.
I assume this is the only "running" test I could perform that will let me know if it's the rings or valves. Is that correct. I'm only assuming it's the rings because of the oily vapor coming from the breather hose. Would valve seats or seals also have that effect???
Thanks
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

Great, I'll do it warm.
I assume this is the only "running" test I could perform that will let me know if it's the rings or valves. Is that correct. I'm only assuming it's the rings because of the oily vapor coming from the breather hose. Would valve seats or seals also have that effect???
Thanks

I am a little out of my element here, but I would think you would see more oil smoke on startup with seals, seats would just loose compression out the exhaust. Seems that the most likely cause of your mist" would be blow by, and I would think that is likely a ring problem.
 

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Re: 3.7 pressure and ight oil mist comimn from breather hose

classic blowback from used , worn or weak rings, or you may be seeing mosture heated up and evaporating anyplace it can find. If oil plug had water droplets, than good indicator of excessive mosture. Good compression test should let you know for sure.
 
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