305 to 350 build questions

gr8shot

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Local Napa had the right fittings. However they did NOT have any 1/2" NPT plugs for the intake manifold oddly enough. I'll get those tomorrow at a hardware store or something. Looking like Wednesday is going to be the nicest day this week. So I'm going to shoot for dropping it in the boat then.

I've got a bunch of parts coming, and not exactly sure when they'll be here though. Cap & rotor, plug wires, thermostat, impeller kit and gaskets and O-rings for putting the drive back on.

Not much left to do. Have all the front accessories, brackets and serpentine belt put on. Got the manifolds put on as well. In my haste to get working on the short block, I put the engine on the stand before I put the rear freeze plugs and the plug or whatever it's called that goes in the block up against the camshaft. So once I get the engine up in the air I'll have to do those, as well as the flywheel, and that stuff on the back of the motor too. I should be able to hook up the wiring harness too. I started priming the oil pump, but without that rear cam plug in, it was leaking oil from there, and I didn't want to make a big mess, so I'll handle that once I've got the back end all buttoned up.

Getting close!!
 

Davetowz

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Can't wait to hear how it runs on the water when done. That is where the real answer lies.
 

gr8shot

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Lots to update!

Motor is in, and it purrs like a kitten! Can't believe how well and how smooth its running. Was a bit of a rocky road to get there though. Read on if you want to hear the story.

Got it put in early last week, and was waiting on a pile of parts to get it ready to run. Once all the parts showed up I tossed them on and got to work getting it fired up. After putting the distributor on about 90* out of time, I fixed that and it would run, but very very poorly, what sounded like several dead cylinders, even after messing with the timing a lot. I talked to a buddy of mine that has built quite a few engines, he suggested loosening up the valves. So I did that and it instantly fixed my problems! Ran pretty well.

Had a co-worker who's also has built quite a few engines come over and help me dial in the timing. We got it running very smooth. Then I asked if he'd go through the valves for me since I wasn't very confident in my work at this point. He ran through them, and when we fired it up it ran like crap again. We ran out of time for the day and he said he'd come over the next day and help me some more. So next day we pulled the plugs, they looked ok. Pulled plug wires as it was running and figured out what cylinders weren't firing. Changed plugs and made no difference, so we went back and started over on the valves, being a little more lenient on what "zero lash" was. And only 1/2 turn instead of 3/4 turn after zero lash. Did that, and fired it up and voila, purrs like a kitten again.

After that fiasco, we played with the timing. Set the inital timing to 12*btdc, and it looked like full advance was around 30-32* so should be plenty safe to run 87 octane. Really happy with how smooth it runs. Fires up pretty much on the first piston over. Even cold yesterday it popped right off instantly. Has 30+psi of oil pressure at idle, climbs up to around 50 with some throttle. Knock on wood, no oil leaks yet.

The rest of this week I need to fab up a bracket to hold the throttle cable, the stock one from the 2 barrel isn't even close to fitting. Then I can start putting the interior back together. Then throw the alpha unit on, new gear oil, and a new impeller, and it'll be water ready. Hope to have all that done in the next couple weeks. I'll take a few more pics as I make some progress. Kind of a pain to try and upload videos, so sorry for no pics this time.
 

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zero lash is zero up/down movement, not inability to spin with fingers.
 

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Your running an edge rock carb right? Merc part number 805359T is the throttle bracket they used for Webber/ edelbrock 4 bbl carbs , not very expensive and has the mounts for your slave solenoid and 50 amp breaker if your old engine mounted them to the throttle bracket .
 

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Your running an edge rock carb right? Merc part number 805359T is the throttle bracket they used for Webber/ edelbrock 4 bbl carbs , not very expensive and has the mounts for your slave solenoid and 50 amp breaker if your old engine mounted them to the throttle bracket .

I'm running an Edelbrock 1409 Carb. Had I seen this a few days earlier, I'd have one on order already! As it is, I spent last night with my grinder, welder and a couple cutoff wheels and made up a bracket to bolt to the carb and hold the throttle cable and also the starter relay. Won't be as neat and clean as that bracket, but it'll do the job, and cost $0.

My list is getting shorter! Flame arrestor is ordered, and my ccv hoses will fit onto it, so that takes care of two issues in one. Need to fix a wire and hope my alternator will start charging again. Put the interior back together, and vacuum it out. Then it's on to the motor alignment, impeller change, gear oil change and then putting the drive back on, and I think I'll be lake ready! There's light at the end of the tunnel!
 

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That will work too, but merc would charge you more for the green paint
 

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Well my list is getting shorter. Fixed the alternator, getting a perfect 14.5v now while the engine is running. I let it run for about 45 minutes Wednesday while we had some nice 65* weather. Gets up to 170*f on the gauge and stays put right there. There was a bit of steam out of the ccv hoses at first, but once the moisture got out of the oil it seemed to have virtually zero blowby and would restart perfectly when warm.

I got the interior put back together yesterday, and spent a solid hour with my shop vac to get it vacuumed out. I don't remember if I'd mentioned it or not. But after the previous owner found out the block was cracked, they left the boat to sit outside with no cover for an entire summer. So it accumulated a years worth of leaves, dirt, sticks and whatever else in the interior. So it's dirty to say the least. Carpet cleaned up very well though, and looks like new after a thorough vacuuming.

My last dilemma is whether or not I should buy the alignment tool and do the engine alignment myself, or pay a local shop to do it. I doubt I'd ever need the tool again after one use, and the resale crowd for an item like that is pretty slim in Nebraska since we're about as far from an ocean as you can get. I'm thinking I'll just have a local shop do it so I know it's done right. Then I can mount the drive and do the impeller and be ready for the water!
 

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My last dilemma is whether or not I should buy the alignment tool and do the engine alignment myself, or pay a local shop to do it. I doubt I'd ever need the tool again after one use, and the resale crowd for an item like that is pretty slim in Nebraska since we're about as far from an ocean as you can get. I'm thinking I'll just have a local shop do it so I know it's done right. Then I can mount the drive and do the impeller and be ready for the water!

annual maintenance is to check alignment, gimbal bearing, u-joints and bellows. spend the $39 on an alignment tool.
 

gr8shot

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annual maintenance is to check alignment, gimbal bearing, u-joints and bellows. spend the $39 on an alignment tool.

Ok, so I did some looking and found a couple cheap alignment tools. Here I was under the impression it was $100-120 for an alignment tool. Helps make the decision a lot easier finding the tool for so much less!
 

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evilbay baby........evilbay..... for about $180 you can find a kit with all the tools (alignment and bearing), a gimbal bearing, seals, and all 3 bellows.
 

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I think mine was off eBay for about $36 made by heartland tools and works great.
 

gr8shot

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I got it from MBS manufacturing, they were a seller on Amazon, but had delivery of 2 weeks out due to the silly virus. Ordered it off the MBS manufacturing website instead, and it showed up yesterday. Under $50 shipped. I'll be working on getting the engine alignment taken care of hopefully this afternoon. Then I can bolt the drive on, and do the impeller and then I'll be lake ready.

I took our old boat (91 VIP 17' 3.0/A1) out yesterday since it was so nice. Got it ready to sell. Then I checked the weather and it's going to freeze again, hard, this weekend. So I spend this morning winterizing both boats again :( Now it's going to be painful, I'll have the boat ready to go, and there's no decent weather in the forseeable future, so it's just going to sit.
 

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Well my old boat is sold. Listed it Last friday at about 10am, by 4:00 I had a guy show up, check it out and give me a deposit. It was pretty chilly, but the next day we took it out on the lake and he went home with it. Had 3 or 4 other guys wanting to look at it as well. Really surprised me considering how a lot of the economy is slow or non-existent right now.

Made enough on the old boat to pay for everything I've got into the motor, plus a small chunk of the purchase price of the new boat!!! And I got to keep my brand new fish finder that I really like. Only downside is that the stereo in the new boat isn't near as good as the old one. And I didn't have time to swap them out. So now I'll have to upgrade the stereo in the new boat too I guess.

Just waiting on the weather at this point to take the new boat out. Got all my eggs in one basket assuming this new motor is going to last. So it better!!!
 

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Awesome. You've certainly put in the labors. Now to enjoy some of them. Have a great first trip!

Rick
 

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Yesterday we FINALLY got to take the new boat out. And it went absolutely perfect! It started right up in the water, I tested it out a bit while the wife was parking the trailer and getting the kids back to the dock. We all loaded up and went out for a long hard cruise to seat the rings and get everything broken in. Spent about 15-20 minutes cruising on plane, varying the rpm from 2500 to wide open which was about 4900 rpm. Even did about a 2 minute sprint at wide open, temp stayed perfect, oil pressure was perfect, it really runs awesome. A couple people mentioned that since it's hitting 4900rpm that I need a new prop. But we'll never really go that fast very often, and it runs awesome as is. So I'm not going to bother.

We stopped and did some fishing, and it would start right back up with just a bump of the key each time we moved spots. Such a HUGE change going from a 3.0 4 cylinder to this 350. The 4 cylinder did just fine, and suited us well. But it's awfully fun cruising at 3000-3500 rpm and putting the hammer down and throwing everyone back in their seat with the new 350.

So I guess this kind of closes the book on this adventure. Now just to enjoy it for the summer! Sunday and Monday are supposed to be right around 80 degrees, so we'll be back on the lake again at least one of those days, and many more to follow!
 

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Great to hear....... however without pics and videos.......are we sure it happened.......
 

Rick Stephens

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I like it!

I found the V engines to be a lot quieter than the fours as well. Nice upgrade. Congrats.


And the prop is fine. Just don't over rev. How hard is that?

Rick
 
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