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wca_tim

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I've had both my 1409 and my 1410 on my 383. It's faster (significantly) with the 1410 and it uses more gas too. To be honest, the 1410 was a little of a pain to tune right - they have a problem witn an off idle lean condition that took some playing to get rid of. I've got jets and rods, etc.. written down around here somewhere.
 

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I've had both my 1409 and my 1410 on my 383. It's faster (significantly) with the 1410 and it uses more gas too. To be honest, the 1410 was a little of a pain to tune right - they have a problem witn an off idle lean condition that took some playing to get rid of. I've got jets and rods, etc.. written down around here somewhere.

I figured it'd drink more gas with the 1410, but after $4.50/gal gas at the dock last year, I think I'll still be able to come out ahead. Hopefully.

I called Edelbrock yesterday about calibration for the 1410 on the 383 and I got what appeared to be a lazy tech telling me "out of the box would be a perfectly rich safe setting for establishing a baseline". Which wasn't my original question - if they had any notes or suggestions for a 1410 on a 383.

If you could shine some light on what rods and jets you used it would be very much appreciated. It's apart and soaking as we speak and I've got a calibration kit handy. Thanks in advance!
 

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That jibes with what joey told me when we started. They had built and run a 383 on the dyno with a bunch of combinations of factory available (marine) parts like manifolds cams, heads, carbs, and exhausts. For out of the box, the edelbrock 750 was as good as anything - he told me to buy one and drop it on. I don't think I'm a long way off of from the "stock" starting point even with a more open exhaust than you're planning and a single plane intake...

A note on your electric fuel pump... Make if your fuel pressure is even a tiny bit higher than the range recommended by edelbrock, it'll push gas through the needle valves and make it run rich at idle and a little above... (if it is more than that it'll be more obvious and just drown it).


I've got a holley 750 dp soaking to try just for fun...
 

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That jibes with what joey told me when we started. They had built and run a 383 on the dyno with a bunch of combinations of factory available (marine) parts like manifolds cams, heads, carbs, and exhausts. For out of the box, the edelbrock 750 was as good as anything - he told me to buy one and drop it on. I don't think I'm a long way off of from the "stock" starting point even with a more open exhaust than you're planning and a single plane intake...

A note on your electric fuel pump... Make if your fuel pressure is even a tiny bit higher than the range recommended by edelbrock, it'll push gas through the needle valves and make it run rich at idle and a little above... (if it is more than that it'll be more obvious and just drown it).


I've got a holley 750 dp soaking to try just for fun...

Out of the box it is. I ended up doing the job twice - the floats looked a little suspect so they came out during the second iteration.

Another interesting issue popped up - what's the right call on the flywheel. I'm hearing a variety of different things so maybe someone can chime in on exactly what I need (and a good place to look).
 

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Time to resurrect this.

The old engine will be out of the boat tomorrow and the new engine is built and ready for parts swapping. I'll post pictures as I have them available.

One thing I can predict - other than the electric fuel pump, does anyone know what else I need to wire the pump in a USCG approved manner? I recall needing an oil pressure switch, but I don't know if that will have to be a new part or if there will be one on the old engine (SN #OF276159). Maybe I'm making this more complicated than it needs to be, but I'm envisioning a mess of sensors and wires that may not be readily marked.
 

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only one senser... that shuts down the fuel pump if oil pressure goes to 0. Imagine what happens if you have a boating accident (or even a cracked fuel line), the fuel system is in some way breached or leaking throuhg the carb, and the fuel pump keeps running, filling the engine compartment with fuel and vapor...

on jetting for your 1410. Needles in mine right now are 7147. To get rid of the bad off idle lean condition (apparently a problem with the 1410 because the idle circuit is not barely sufficient to feed a stock 350 at idle), I had to fatten up idle screws a god bit and go with pink springs. I didn't want to pull the top off the carb to check the mains because it was running great and I wanted to get the valves adjusted, but I'm pretty sure I have the stock mains are within one step of the facory ones. You'll know once you get it running.

Note also that the flame arrestor makes a noticable difference and required a change in metering rod when I switched. It needs different jets and picks up a few mph when I run it without one (and with the engine compartment cover off!!!). The gaffrig on there now does alot better than the stock one. I've never tried a k&n but have had good experience with their products. Before someone says (again) that the stock arrrestor doesn't look very restrictive and can't make any difference. Consider that if you're pulling 600 cfm through it, that's about 75 gallons of air per second....

On your flywheel, is your 383 internally or externally balanced??? if externally (which is really common) then final balancing of the rotating assembly is done by drilling the flywheel... I'm pretty sure that the factory flex plate for an auto transmission is not the way to go... I think they deform too much under power and can create problems. Hopefully Bond-O or someone else will chime in on the flywheel. I'mthinking the it's the same 14" as for manual transmission, but don't remember off the top of my head...

Here, dug up Bond-o's post I was thinking about:

"Maybe I can shed a little light on this......... Basically , there are 2 Chevy Flywheels...........The 12 3/4", 153 tooth, which uses the Straight across bolt pattern Starters......And,The 14", 168 tooth, which uses the Staggered bolt pattern Starters.........Now, it gets Alot more confusing......Both Flywheels can be found in the Early(pre-86) Crankshaft bolt pattern.... 3 1/4" bolt pattern(two piece rear main seals)And,The Late model(post-86) Crankshaft bolt pattern.... 3" bolt pattern(one piece rear main seal)And,Both Flywheels can be found in Internally Balance configurations(Most Chevy motors)......And, Externally Balanced configurations(400cid,SBC,+ 454cid, BBC, Yes, these flywheels Are interchangeable)......And,Even though the 4.3l uses the same two diameters, in the same two bolt patterns,The 4.3l has it's own balance problems... So, it's balanced for the 4.3l Only........ And, due to the Many different 4.3l configurations, they Should Not be swapped, without a New Balance Job.......Even through it's Known As a Neutral Balance Flywheel...........So,A Flywheel from a 305, or a 350 will be a direct interchange part........Actually, a Flywheel from a 2.5l, or a 3.0l, or a 305, or a 350 will All be a direct interchange part, Depending on the Starter Bolt Pattern......Except that the Final Fine Balancing is done for the Particular motor that it's to be bolted onto.........This is why a Balance Job Should be Mandatory for Every Engine Overhaul............BTW,Alpha's, Bravo's, OMC's, Volvo's, etc. All use Both the 12",+ the 14" flywheels............It Depends on Which Starter is used.............So,If the flywheel you have is what you say it is,It's a 153 tooth Chevy Small Block V8 flywheel... One piece rear main seal......."

also to add to above on oil pump note. The reason not to go with high volume (aside from the added stresses Bond-o mentions) is that when you run fast for very long with a stock volume oil pan and high volume pump, the pump empties the pan faster than the oil can get back and you wind up sucking air (and no oil) at the sump while you're running flat out... Went with standard volume melling pump and high capacity pan. This isn't an issue on a street car build because you don't run it at 80%+ or redline for very long...
 

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Thanks for the post Tim.

I think I've found the sensor, and it looks like I'll also need to plumb it into a t fitting.

I forget what I have in there now as far as springs go, but pink springs it is. I'll be in the doghouse for a while so I'll have a fair bit of time to play with it...hopefully undisturbed.

Maybe it's just me, but some things I think you can look at and tell they aren't adequate. My stock flame arrestor is one of those things. When I get parts swapped over and the motor back in, I'll check for clearance between the stock flame arrestor and the bottom of the engine cover so I'll know what size flame arrestor I can fit. I think all the ones I've looked at were K&N.

The flywheel is externally balanced and of the 14" variety. For those who may do this in the future, the GM Performance Parts number I used was NAL-14088648. It's 168 teeth, externally balanced.

I also have a stock oil pump on hand because I've heard the same thing about emptying the sump with a HV pump.

Hopefully I'll be able to get the old one on a stand today and this weekend strip it down to sell the leftovers.
 
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