400 SBC opinions

chrisf695

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I'm planing on building a 406 sbc for my rig and just curious if anyone else has experienced doing so. I have some aluminum heads to put on it and looking for around 400-450hp. It will be hooked up too a Alpha SS. And I will be drilling the steam holes in the heads... just fyi
 

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Re: 400 SBC opinions

Are you planning on using a closed cooling system? If not, don't do it.
The steam ports will quickly become packed with rust/scale (especially salt water), and localized overheating will begin.

The 400 is an example of trying to fit 10 lbs of s**t in a 7 lb bag, on a budget. GM didn't do a stellar job with designing the cooling system, and things quickly turn south when those little bitty ports plug up.

IMHO, you would be better served building a 383 stroker. You wouldn't be using a rare block that's A. Getting harder to find, B. Has the above mentioned cooling issue, and C. Is prone to main web cracking (if using a 4 bolt block).

If really want a 400, you would be best served getting an aftermarket produced 4.125 bore block. All the issues are resolved, and you can get them in many different flavors (such as a medium journal sized mains). You would also be working with a NEW block instead of something that's 30 plus years old, and needs a bunch of machine work.
 

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Re: 400 SBC opinions

Are you planning on using a closed cooling system? If not, don't do it.
The steam ports will quickly become packed with rust/scale (especially salt water), and localized overheating will begin.

The 400 is an example of trying to fit 10 lbs of s**t in a 7 lb bag, on a budget. GM didn't do a stellar job with designing the cooling system, and things quickly turn south when those little bitty ports plug up.

IMHO, you would be better served building a 383 stroker. You wouldn't be using a rare block that's A. Getting harder to find, B. Has the above mentioned cooling issue, and C. Is prone to main web cracking (if using a 4 bolt block).

If really want a 400, you would be best served getting an aftermarket produced 4.125 bore block. All the issues are resolved, and you can get them in many different flavors (such as a medium journal sized mains). You would also be working with a NEW block instead of something that's 30 plus years old, and needs a bunch of machine work.

It will not be closed cooling and will be in fresh water only... Well I already bought the short block with all forged lower with flatops... I might have to change out the flatops though... my compression might be a little to high... the heads are 200cc / 64 cc. Looking for like a 9.5:1 compression... think the flatops make it around 9.8-10.2 ish.
 

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It will not be closed cooling and will be in fresh water only... Well I already bought the short block with all forged lower with flatops... I might have to change out the flatops though... my compression might be a little to high... the heads are 200cc / 64 cc. Looking for like a 9.5:1 compression... think the flatops make it around 9.8-10.2 ish.

Ayuh,.... The 200cc heads are atad Big, the 180s are a better choice...
Big intake air still gets choked up in the exhaust manifolds on boats...
Higher velocity intake charges help build low end torque...

You'll probably wanta go with a D-dish or inverted dome pistons to lower the compression, 'n still maximize the quench with the heads....

A .045 quench is a pretty good target...

I agree the 383 is a Better choice, but I've got an ole 400 take-out I'm hopin' to stuff into a barge by this summer...
 

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Don't go crazy with a really high lift/long duration cam. Don't get the biggest carb you can find either.
You can't build power in a boat like you do on drag racer. As Bond-o mentioned, the exhaust is the big restriction. (it's also the source of water inversion)
 

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Re: 400 SBC opinions

I have the stock exhaust manifolds and have imco stainless 4 inch risers for my thru hull... If i have enough $$$ ill upgrade the manifolds. For my duration... would something like 224/224 work at .50 lift?
 

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As stated before GM didn't do their homework to good on those 400 small blocks. They tried to squeeze in more cubic inches into the same size small block and made a poor choice at their design. They are siamese cylinder blocks unlike the 350 blocks that had water circulating all around the cylinders. And that IS a huge reason they tend to run hot. They can’t dissipate the heat in the adjoining cylinder contact areas. While the 400 SBC engines can create some impressive low end torque, you really have to watch the heat generated very very closely. The usual 350 small blocks with 383 stroker kits is a very wise choice but since you already have your 400 SB I guess that is a mute point now. As far as the compression ratio is concerned with flattop pistons, you can always port (grin) the head combustion areas a little and CC them for results or even go with a thicker head gasket to accomplish your needs without changing the pistons. You may even consider contacting Comp Cams for their suggestion as to the proper low end torque cam you could use. Comp cams are very high quality products and their staff is very good at helping and with recommendations. You can sink a lot of money into your decisions and make a lot of useless HP unless you know what your needs are. Boats are not exactly like drag-race engines. So get some info for free and contact the cam grinders for their inputs. A few minutes of talk could save a lot of heart-aches later on...
 

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I have the stock exhaust manifolds and have imco stainless 4 inch risers for my thru hull... If i have enough $$$ ill upgrade the manifolds. For my duration... would something like 224/224 work at .50 lift?

Ayuh,.... Something in the 214 -218 range is more appropriate...
 

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Ayuh,.... Something in the 214 -218 range is more appropriate...

Yes Bond-O, you are a lot closer to what I was thinking as well. Once you get to the 224/224 @ .050" you are talking a more upper mid-range cam unless your duration(s) are really short. Not sure if a boat motor could use that or not. It really depends on the weight of the boat and prop size I guess. That IS why I was saying to talk to Comp Cams... I built a lot of SBs and used their Cams every time without one problem... I would probably spend the extra cash on exhaust capabilities and maybe roller rockers and such...
 

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The boat is 89' Powerplay XLT185, weights about 2700, 24 degree hull.

Ive talked to 2 other engine builders today in my area(Michigan) that are well known and they think that the 400 is a great engine IF its not pulling over 5500rpm. I got recommend to talk to a guy named Bob Madera from Marine Kinetics who is very well know on alot of sites. I am now debating on too drill the steam holes or not too... hate to drill into my nice aluminum heads...
 

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The boat is 89' Powerplay XLT185, weights about 2700, 24 degree hull.

Ive talked to 2 other engine builders today in my area(Michigan) that are well known and they think that the 400 is a great engine IF its not pulling over 5500rpm. I got recommend to talk to a guy named Bob Madera from Marine Kinetics who is very well know on alot of sites. I am now debating on too drill the steam holes or not too... hate to drill into my nice aluminum heads...

Ayuh,.... I did 2 sets of iron heads last year, with a prick punch, ole 400 head gasket, 'n my hand-held cordless drill...

Nothin' to it, after ya read How, where, 'n what sorta angle to drill 'em at...

Btw,... You Don't have a choice, they've Gotta be drilled...
 

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Ok, Ill drill them. Thank you for the responses... Ill keep you all updated on the build. My builder said the motor will be ready to go April 1st. Yeah buddy!!
 

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I have got a 400 in my 18ft Thompson Del ray,and I am very happy with it.I basically took a stock 400 and put a edelbrock carb and intake on it.It jumps right out of the water with no issues.would like to see some pictures of your project
 

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Re: 400 SBC opinions

Just want to update... I ended up buying the ProFiler 195cc / 64cc for 1k. Made in USA =)
 

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Just want to update... I ended up buying the ProFiler 195cc / 64cc for 1k. Made in USA =)

Pretty small chambers for a 400 with flat tops.
DO THE MATH (don't guess your compression ratio), and shop accordingly for head gaskets. Heads that make a 350 have a moderate compression ratio will be over over the top on a 400. You can't cross compare the two.
 

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Re: 400 SBC opinions

Pretty small chambers for a 400 with flat tops.
DO THE MATH (don't guess your compression ratio), and shop accordingly for head gaskets. Heads that make a 350 have a moderate compression ratio will be over over the top on a 400. You can't cross compare the two.

Yes with flat tops , the chambers would be too small and my CR would be way to high. Im changing the rods to 6 inch and going to dished pistons to bring my cr to around 9.5
 
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