5HP Twin Gale information?

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

The washer on the bottom seal is upside down as shown in the picture. The raised ring goes up, to center the gasket. Bottom side is flat, where the carbon part rotates against it.

 

[naturelover]

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LOL F-R!!!

I was just looking at that! It didn't make sense to me either, and I signed on to ask...

Thanks for the info! Not sure how it got turned over, but there are wear marks on the other side of the metal washer where the carbon seal had been riding.

Here is a picture of the correct way.


Maybe I turned it upside down before taking the picture, but I'm pretty sure that is the way it was as taken off. I hope it was me, cause I don't think it would seal very well the other way.

I'll order a new carbon seal, washer and o-ring to be sure.

Plan now is to scrape off the old base gasket, make a new water cover jacket, replace all the rubber lines, and think of some options for the crack in the water jacket. Thought now is small hole and some JB weld....

L/U is draining now, no water or metal, so should be good there. I'll get some new seals for the drain/vent plug though...

 

[naturelover]

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Well, went ahead and drilled a small hole at the crack and applied some JB-Weld. Its drying now, so no more work on powerhead until it dries.



So moved on to the l/u and pump replacement, and of course, it couldn't go easy either...

Came off easily enough after removing the shift shaft double nuts and lockwasher.



However...



Looks like I'll be getting a new plastic pump, there was no way to remove that one as I was afraid of 1) pulling the bolt out of the hole and 2) somehow breaking the outer case by prying too hard, or 3) setting it ablaze with the torch (was..interesting to see smoke coming up from the w/p...

So the top half was sacrificed...

Did get it removed finally, interestingly enough, it was stuck in the upper housing, it came out really easily when I had got the housing off.



Impeller was stiff, but not sure that it wouldn't have still pumped...



But got it apart, and now at least know what I need to order...

 

[naturelover]

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Oh, and was looking at my list I'd made from the CD-19, and found I'd put a thermostat and its gaskets..

However, doesn't appear as if this motor has one, as I thought it was above the cylinders... I'll have to go look at the IPL's...



Maybe another small difference between the Gale and the Johnson, or the 5 and the 5.5hp...

Hope all the l/u stuff is the same, I'll definitely need the updated pump...

ETA: Appears the thermostat is in the head, so guess this doesn't have one. Just pumps water all the time I suppose.

 

[naturelover]

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Hmm, also see that I can get the original metal housing....

I see too that I need to take that bottom plate off and replace the gasket and seal there too.

Will tackle that one next, along with water tube removal from the housing...

ETA: Oh, and after thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that washer was turned wrong from whoever put it in beforehand. I know that I didn't remove the lower washer seal before taking the picture, and it would have come off if it was seated in the metal washer like it was supposed to be.

I hope it sealed well enough to not hurt anything. Fearing it squished the spring too much, I guess I'll add that to the list....

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Nope, no thermostat in the small Gale motors. Your choice, I guess, on the pump. Have you compared the price between a new aluminum housing & impeller and a whole new plastic pump kit? I seriously doubt the seal spring is hurt from the plate being upside down. Note the singed paint on the exhaust cover....not to worry, that happened during the first five minutes it ran when brand new. That cover has fire on the back side of it.

 

[naturelover]

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Well, I'd prefer the plastic one I think, at least it wouldn't sieze like the metal one.

Does the kit have everything I need to switch it over? I was thinking I read somewhere I'd need to order a new bearing plate and seal or something?

The spring felt alright, but was just wondering, so I'll skip it.

JB-Weld dried, looks like it will do well. I was gonna put some on the inside, but I was worried what would happen if it would happen to turn loose. I've seen it hold up to some pretty extreme conditions though....



If it would happen to turn loose, I'll have it welded up if possible. But figured it would hold up long enough to see how the motor was going to do first..

So off came the water pump plate..



Looks like its been wearing against the shock absorber shaft though, thoughts?



Anyway, figured since I'd went this far, off came the prop. Found some blue goo...





One thing is that the front bearing will not slide off the end of the prop shaft. The end of the shaft is a little rough and such. I believe I could pull it over it, but wouldn't want to mess up the front bearing, as its NLA. Its not leaking, so I'll leave the inner seal alone for now, and replace the outer o-ring.. I might at some point replace the whole shaft. You can see a little bit of it in the picture above..

Finally got the absorber shaft out.



Was at 6-13/16" overall, but was at 6-3/4" at the bevel. This okay or does it need replaced?

Was a little worried about the wear on the lower w/p plate, is it broken and now too long? I can't see that its broken looking down at the spring from the top of the absorber..

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

The water pump kit includes all the WATER PUMP parts. It does not include any of the lower bearing housing parts, gasket, seal, etc.

That heat damage where the shock absorber has been rubbing against the bottom of the bearing indicates the absorber is expanded. Now, it may be broken. or it may simply be expanded from excessive rock dredging. What you need to do is clean out the inside, where you pulled the drive shaft out, then get it out in the bright light and peer in the hole. See the fat spring in there? Look closely for it being broken. If it is broken, it is toast. But if not broken, simply press or pound it back together (to shorten it).

Lots of people claim they have welded them. When I tried that, it came out so badly out of alignment that it was worthless. your experience may vary.

EDIT: The blue silicone is a dead giveaway that somebody has been in there messing around. They may have found the shock absorber problem and gave up.

 

[naturelover]

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Well, F_R, after you said that, I thought I remembered something when I peeked down in there..



The spring isn't seated against the top of the absorber. Tried to get a good picture.

So I put it in the vice, and along with a couple of smooth metal spacers to protect both ends, applied some pressure....

Gained probably a 1/4".



I'm hoping that should do it, and as hard as I had to push on it, I don't think it will come back out very easily, long as I don't go beating around rocks. This will probably be a lake/deep river motor anyways, so hopefully that should last a while.

Was already looking for one, and I still might buy one as a spare if this motor runs as I hope, but I think you saved this one F_R. Did a quick re-assemble and there is plenty of space between the top of the absorber and the plate, even without its gasket.

Is the bearing plate okay to re-use? All I would need is a new seal for it to use it with the new style plastic pump?

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

You can reuse the bearing plate with a new seal. I hate to be a pessimist, but if the broken (if they are broken) spring ends are not overlapped, you would be able to press it back together but as soon as the broken ends ride up over each other, it will "grow" again. So, it all depends on whether or not it actually is broken.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

You can reuse the bearing plate with a new seal. I hate to be a pessimist, but if the broken (if they are broken) spring ends are not overlapped, you would be able to press it back together but as soon as the broken ends ride up over each other, it will "grow" again. So, it all depends on whether or not it actually is broken.

Didn't see that it was broken anywhere, there were no gaps in the spring that I could see.

But that is true, something made it ride up....

ETA: Hopefully fixed it for good. Am now awaiting a package...

Wonder how these come apart? Would be helpful to actually be able to see the whole spring.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Well, a little progress was made during the holiday break.

First off was some parts, including a NOS absorber shaft.



New seals, gaskets, drain plugs, plastic w/p, pretty much everything needed to do the lower unit. The only things that weren't replaced are the outer prop shaft seal and the bushings/o-ring for the shift shaft. Have those, but since it wasn't leaking, just left them alone, as I couldn't get the bearing off the prop shaft anyways..

All other seals were replaced...



And new pump. It's a lot smaller than the old one.....



Wasn't much room here, but did get it out with some really long straight needle nose pliers. The copper tube was damaged in the process of removing it, but Lowe's has some 3/8" O.D. 1' sections to replace it...





Wasn't easy to get it back in there either, but some grease, persuasion and twisting with some slip-joint pliers got it seated.

Far as I made it, forgot to get the front water cover bolts. Did sit the motor on there and turn it over a couple times to make sure everything was turning as it should.

Hoping to get it together over New Year's break....

 

[naturelover]

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Well, she's a runner again!!! Runs wonderfully in the bucket and pumps plenty of water. No worry of bugs either running 16:1, will switch to full synthetic to see if I can get it to run a little cleaner. Ran it dry and fogged the cylinders for winters storage.

Did find a problem though, the 5/16" fuel line is pinching where it exits the shroud. It has to make quite the bend to get through there and connected to the fuel fitting, so the powerhead came back off..

Good thing though, and I figured out why there was a crack in the water jacket for the cylinders. There's no drain holes for it, water poured out the front bolt hole, probably half a cup or so. I'll have to remember that before putting it up for the winter next year. That seems strange, as I'd think it would drain somewhere...

Not much room at all.

Am going to try a 5/16" elbow, like this.

Hopefully can find a couple of washers and sandwich them in the shroud with the fuel line.

If that doesn't work, would a 1/4" fuel line flow enough fuel? I think I could get it ran without pinching it.

Can I get these fittings in 1/4" barbed? Not quite sure what brand they are, but got them from the merc dealer.

 

[F_R]

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Some fuel hose is too good. Or at least better than it has to be. Advance Auto Parts has a two foot piece of 1/4" fuel hose in a little flat box. That is what I use, it fits over the barbs nicely.

PS, they also have vacuum hose in a similar box. That stuff won't stand fuel.

PPS, I see you got the new anti-drip fitting. A noble idea, but they are longer than the original connector that came on the motor, forcing the barb/hose rearward and making the bend sharper. You might want to get an original connector.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Well, now that you mentioned it...

I've lost the original.... :facepalm:

Its in the garage somewhere, but I've looked it over and can't find it. The new connector was what I had on hand, and figured since it was new, I'd try it to see.

While I was hoping the old one would just magically appear (that is usually what happens, I'll find something when I'm not looking), I guess I'm going to have to put out and APB for it.

Hopefully it turns up, if not, may have to order the original.

Well, did find the original on the web, it is much smaller. Can't remember if mine looked like that or not, but am off to go look for it..

Thanks F_R.

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Original was 376154. That is superseded by a new anti-drip one, so beware if ordering from a dealer, you may get the longer one.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Well, now ensuring I'll find it, got the shorty one ordered.

Looked all morning for it to no avail, don't know how I lost it...

I was gonna try the elbow thing, but figured that'd just add some un-needed possible leak points, so just went back with the original.

Guess the next question is whether I find it before, or after, I get the one I ordered...

 

[naturelover]

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Should be my last parts arrival...



The bend after it was installed and motor buttoned down. Still looks like its pinching a bit, but not as badly..





Still might try the elbow at some point, but I'll be sure to watch the high side to make sure it's not running lean first time I run it on the water.

But for now, am all done! It'll go into winter storage until the weather warms, or I can't stand it and have to try it on the water...

 

[naturelover]

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Finally got a chance to try this one out.

First though, it didn't start out well. I had the wrong fuel connector on the tank side hose, so I had to take off the hose clamps and just hook the bulb up straight to the fuel line. A by-product I suppose of using the same tank for two different motors...

Started right up within a couple of pulls though. Idled nicely and pumped bunches of water. Let it warm up, and off I went.

Will say this is a wonderful outboard. It runs really smoothly, is very quiet, and even at 16-1, didn't smoke like I thought it would. Starts on the first pull when warm, and purrs along at a low idle just as well as high speed. The rubber mountings take all the vibration out of it, and it is no trouble to leave your hand on the throttle for extended periods (the Clinton will numb your hand after a bit). Reverse is very handy too, and it shifts in and out great too.

Did an extended run, removed the cover and was cool as a cucumber. Adjusted the carb needles, and was able to get the 12' Jon to around 6mph in the upriver run. Believe its just as powerful as the 7HP Clinton, but does weigh a little more.



Caught a small bass and a rock bass, and during the ride back to the ramp, had some guests guiding me back..



They flew in front of me all they way back to the ramp, which I reached just in time as the rain came in while I was loading up.

 

[steelespike]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

With a tiller extension the boat should plane and reach 10 to 12 mph.
We had a 12 ft steel boat with a flat bottom and a 5 gale.It would pop on plane with a 180 pounder in the middle seat
and run about that 12 mph rating.