68 Mercury 200 (20hp) engine rebuild

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Thanks cobra. Maybe I got lucky and just blew a gasket. When you say "head" does that mean the part that the plugs are in...It looks like sort of a plate as far as I can tell from the parts diagrams...I just want to learn the right terms for stuff. How about the part of the engine that have the cylinders? What do you call that?
 

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There is no head gasket on this motor! That is all...........ed
 

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There is no head gasket on this motor! That is all...........ed

I could be wrong...I usually am. According to the parts diagram there is. Parts Diagram.

Check out number 33. Isn't that the head gasket?
 

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I could be wrong...I usually am. According to the parts diagram there is. Parts Diagram.

Check out number 33. Isn't that the head gasket?

Like Ed said. There is no head gasket. That gasket is for the cover plate which keeps the cooling water contained around the head.

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Like Ed said. There is no head gasket. That gasket is for the cover plate which keeps the cooling water contained around the head.

HD

See, I told you that I'm usually wrong! So if there no head gasket how come I have 0 compression in my top cylinder? So far I have two more theories that people have given me. I took out the rings or there is a hole in the piston.

Is there some other likely diagnosis that I'm missing here?
 

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The motor was severely overheated. This 'fried' the piston and/or rings in the top cylinder, which takes the worst of it since heat rises. The only fix is to pull the powerhead, split the crankcase halves, pull the entire rotating assembly out of the block, and replace the damaged parts.

The powerhead is bolted to the exhaust adapter plate with studs threaded into the powerhead.

Remove the 'horse collar' cover at the bottom of the lower engine cowling and you'll see a series of nuts to either side and one each per side at the very front.

Remove these nuts, undo all hoses/wires/linkages that would prevent the powerhead from being removed, and the powerhead pulls right off the exhaust tower.

You'll need a flywheel puller to remove the flywheel, an automotive harmonic balancer puller will work for this. Along with the correct-threaded puller bolts. Get Grade 8 or better bolts or they'll just break or pull out of the holes. If I recall, on a 20 there's a decal on top of the flywheel that tells you which bolts to pull. If you don't have that, pull (2) opposite bolts, if there are any with lock washers those are the ones to pull.

Once you have the flywheel off, strip the ign parts off of it; pull the carb; unto all the bolts which clamp the perimeter of the crankcase halves together; undo any bolts/fittings that are secured by locking tabs in the center or side of the manifold (front) crankcase cover. These are a main bearing shell securing bolt and a reed block securing bolt.

Undo the upper and lower main bearing cap securing bolts. 4 on top and 3 on the bottom cap.

Note, any bolt that won't move with normal force is stuck, try a combination of heat from a propane or MAPP torch, and penetrating oil. Use caution with the oil since of course it's flammable. Usually some heat will help break the bolt loose, once it's started to move you can get penetrating oil in there to do the rest.

The rotating assy (crankshaft, bearings, pistons, rod, reed block) pulls out of the block.

Once things are apart you can assess the damage. I expect you'll find 'smeared' aluminum where the piston has melted across the ring grooves. And likely some aluminum transfer to the cylinder bore.

If you're fortunate, the bore wasn't too hurt by the overheating. Carefully applied muriatic acid will dissolve the aluminum transferred to the cylinder bore. Your 20hp has the same pistons as a 44 c.i. Merc (think 50 hp 4-cyl), so those should be commonly available. You could probably find an inexpensive, very servicable piston on eBay, a new set of rings, some new bearings, gaskets and seals, and maybe you're back on the water.

Just a thought, HTH.............ed
 

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You make it sound so easy! ;) If you take that cover I mentioned before could I see into the cylinder to see how bad the damage is? Just to get an idea of what is going on before I rip everything apart?

Thanks for the advice. I had to take off the fly wheel last season to replace points so I'm familiar with that. I had just about everything off to get to random parts and stuff so it shouldn't be all that terrible. Besides it will get me a chance to clean the motor up and get it repainted and make it sexy...right? At least that is what I'm telling myself!
 

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You make it sound so easy! ;) If you take that cover I mentioned before could I see into the cylinder to see how bad the damage is? Just to get an idea of what is going on before I rip everything apart?!

Unfortunately, all you'll see if you remove the cyl block water jacket cover (the one over the spark plugs) is the cooling chamber and the outside castings of the cylinders. No internal parts can be seen (except of course thu the spark plug holes).

If you had a borescope you could look inside thru the spark plug holes. Failing that, you can remove the transfer port cover (intake) on the Stbd side of the motor.

It has (3) screws in it, top, bottom, middle and is rectangular in shape.

Removing this allows you to see thru the intake ports and with the piston down, you'll be able to look to the exhaust side, where the most damage will have happened.

On the other side, if you can put a wrench to the exhaust manifold cover bolts and they move, take off the cover. You'll be able to see into both exhaust ports and also the exhaust side of the pistons. If it's hurt, that's where it'll be most evident.

Note that the bolts don't move, likely they're frozen and you'd need to use heat to get them busted loose. Very easy to break and a pain to fix!

Anyway, there's something you can try before ripping the powerhead apart.

Keep us posted.......ed
 

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Thanks ed. I guess i'm not totally sure what parts you are talking about. If you look at the diagram here which covers should come off? You said the starboard so that is on the right side facing forward in the boat correct? The only thing I see is the bracket that holds my starter. It does look like there is an opening under that. Is that what you are referring too? I think its part 29 on that diagram.

When you say heat to remove the bolts do you mean just take a torch and heat up the head of the bolt? Is that the proper way or should I heat up the area around the bolt or what?

Sorry for all the questions here...I'm really in over my head. This motor just means a lot to me and I'd like to try to fix it myself.
 

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I took of both side plates. The one is also the bracket for the starter motor like I thought. It appears like I have damage to the side of the piston. Right at the edge of the piston its kind of messed up...I dont really know how to describe it. I guess either way it doesn't matter because its got to come apart. I can't see the cylinder walls though. At least I can tell there is something wrong. I guess I'll have to tear it all apart after next weekend.

I'll keep you all updated and let you know if I have any more questions. Thanks again for all the help!
 

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So I got to thinking. Is there any later model engine blocks (I'm not sure of the term for this) that I could use to replace my engine block. I wasn't sure if any parts are interchangeable with other years or horse power or anything. I know I won't be able to find another 68 20 hp very easy but I thought if they used the same engine block for a lot of years or the bottom half of a motor on a 30 hp is the same as my 20 so I could just switch those...anything like that. I figure its worth asking.
 

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If that plate is still off, stick a small flat head screw driver through the port and carefully push on the rings. See if there some tension on them. If there isnt then the rings are broken. They should have a spring effect to them. It's good that your cylinder isnt messed up, and it would help if you could get a light and a camera and take a pic of the damage on the piston and post it on here so some of the techs on here can see it and help diagnose the damage. You can, in some very rare instances, take the motor off and lay it on it's front (carb down) and spray some seafoam Deep Creep into the spark plug holes. Rotate the flywheel a few times and do it again. Let it sit for a few days, re-install the motor and recheck the Compression. Sometimes the rings can stick and the deep creep will sometimes break them lose again. Worth a try.
 

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Thanks Will.

I'll try that this week. I'm just trying to figure out all my options here. It looks like according to pictures on the different mercury parts diagrams that the cylinder block looks the same from the 1968s to the 1980 20 hp's. Is this the case? Could I just switch it out engine block with a different motor and swap the parts from the two to make one good one?
 

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I purchased a really nice 69 merc 200 on friday. The engine block is the same according to the part numbers stamped on the block. Its almost a complete motor just missing a few gas lines. So now I have a spare part for just about every part of my motor. Plus its a long shaft so I also can make it into a longshaft if I want. I'm planning on tearing down this week so hopefully I can have it running by next weekend, for sure by the 4th!
 

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68 Mercury 200 (20hp) engine rebuild

I tested the compression on the new parts motor and its 105 on one cylinder and 103 on the other. From what I read those number should be good, right?

I plan on disassembling the motor soon. I'm going to take off all of the stuff (starter, carbs, fly wheel, etc.) of my original motor then I think start the disassembly of the other one.

I'm a little concerned about taking the thing apart. Especially when I get into the engine block/crank case assembly. I'm assuming that I'm going to have to take apart the crank shaft, at least to a point. What are the things I need to be careful to do or to not do? I don't want to make this problem worse.

On a side note when I put this thing back together I'd like to replace some wiring. Mostly so that I can get the electric start working. Is there any certain type of wire, like marine grade wire, that I need to use? How about the gauge of the wire. To me it looks like most everything is maybe 14 or 16 GA wire except the big cables going to the starter, those look like maybe 6GA?
 

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I started working on it a few nights ago. I had no spark in either cylinder on the new motor. I pulled the fly wheel and found the points look a little bad. I'm not sure if they can be filed down or not. They weren't pitted or anything, just a little discolored. Maybe they weren't set right. I didn't check before I pulled them and replaced them with the points from my motor. After I replaced them I put it all back together and I got spark! Which is good, I was afraid I might have to replace the coils for $68 each! I guess I could have pulled those from my motor too.

Can you file down points to clean them up?

After I got that all back together I pulled the carb. I was going to replace it with the carb from my motor but I decided that I would try to rebuild since I had a new kit anyways. After getting that all cleaned up and reinstalled I installed new fuel lines. Now I should have fuel and spark! hopefully...

I also pulled apart the water pump. The base was in rough shape but the top was in good shape. It worked out, the base of mine was in good shape but the top is starting to crack. I combined the two and have a good water pump. I think I got the impeller installed the right way but I'm not sure.

Is there a way to tell if you have it installed correctly?

Tonight I hope to refill the lube and reinstall the lower unit. Then the big moment. I get to drop it in a tank and see where I stand. If all goes well then on to the electric start. I'm almost certain all the parts are good, I just need to hook it up to a battery and key. Sadly nobody in town has a key for a reasonable price and since I can't figure out how to rig up a switch like I wanted I may just have to wait to get one off of Iboats. :mad: I didn't want to wait that long. Oh well.
 

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Ok, I'm not sure if I said something wrong or what. I've posted 5 times with probably 10 questions and no response. Did I do something to turn you guys off of my project?

Well, I got everything all swapped out. The motor now has new points. New fuel pump. New water pump. Rebuilt carb. New internal fuel lines. New spark plugs. I tested it for spark and I have spark. It has fuel. New vacuum/exhaust lines to the fuel pump. There is compression 103 and 105.

I pull it starts for about 2 seconds. Then I pull 10 more times and it turns over for 2 seconds. I take the choke off and pull and it turns over for 3 seconds...maybe a little more. Dies. I pull 10 more times with the choke it turns over for 2 seconds. I pulled and pulled and pulled for hours. Each time adjusting the carb. I tried Starting at 1 1/2 turns out then backing the needle out until I got the damn thing just about out of the carb. Then started back at the beginning.

Some one please help. I've had my boat for almost two full season and been on the water 4 times. I'm seriously on the verge of selling it and hanging up my fishing rod.
 

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Think you have a bad valve? I once had a cracked reed valve and I'm not sure, but I think what it was doing was allowing negative pressure on the cylinder. I know my gas was running out the throat of the carb instead of being drawn into the cylinder. I might be way off on that description/diagnosis but that was the problem.
 
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