79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

letsbarbq

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Hello wise boaters,<br /><br />its been a while. I am on the verge of buying a 20' 1979 gw wa. PRoject boat. what should i look out for. It has no OB engine. But the transom looks like it has been repaired and the owner has fabricated a aluminum plate and has mounted it on the transom.<br /><br />What are some of the things that i can do to see if the transom is in ok condition? are we looking for cracks? well, how deep or where at should I look? its a 23 yr old boat. i see little cracks and knicks all over the boat.<br /><br />can anyone help.? price is not a factor here. its almost for free. I was reluctant to purchase it because of the future expenses that will arise.<br /><br />reason for selling. the guy has ton of money and just bought a 97 gw wa with twin 150s. <br /><br />what should I do? pass or play?
 

suzukidave

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

It's a great boat if it's sound. Look out for (1) stress cracks in the hull (2) rot in the floor and transom. Walk away from the former since you can't fix'em, but consider that with a boat hull as good as a grady white, even if you have to pay a shop to repair the latter you may be ahead if the price is right. IF you can afford it, a fairly modest expense to replace all the wood in an old grady white with a good hull will give you a boat very close to good as new structurally. Price out a new one and do the math.<br /><br />Stress cracks run more or less lengthways on the hull usually near the keel. They open up when the hull flexes and let water in. Once you get one it keeps growing and is very hard or impossible to repair. Look for very fine cracks or for cracks that don't appear to come from surface gouges. Stress cracks come from excessive pounding in high seas at speed, especially when rot has compromised the stringers. Knowing the boat's history and owner's temperament will help you figure out if he thrashed it. Another sign is unexplained water in the bilge after a run. If you see any possible signs get a professional to look at the boat before you buy.<br /><br />The plate on the transom may mean its rotten and has been braced and maybe patched in the middle or where easily accessible instead of fully replaced. Given the size of motor you'll be putting on to move that big boat, a sound transom is important and I wouldn't trust someone else's half measure myself. The rot doesn't always start in the middle at the bottom where most patches are done. Look at the inside of ther transom to see if the glass shows signs of repair in places. If the owner will let you, plunging an awl into the transom from the inside in various places will tell you how sound the wood is (or use a small drill bit on a drill -You can patch the holes you make with marine caulking). Check inside and out around the drain hole and motor mount holes, and the through hull fittings for signs of water and delamination or signs of epoxy repairs. If the motor mount holes have been redrilled see if they properly sealed the old ones. If the transom has an aluminum cap, see if you can lift it. <br /><br />Transom replacement is not that bad if your boat is a good one. Even with tricky splashwells that make replacement from the inside tough, up here you can just get the whole back cut off, replace the wood and put her back so you can't tell for under $2,000.<br /><br />Floor rot can be a bigger problem if you have a glass floor. Put your hands down inside any hatches you can find and just feel around. Damp or soft wood will be apparent if you can get at it. if the floor is wood, tap it all over with a wrench. You'll hear the difference if the floor is soft in places.<br /><br />If its got a wooden floor like some gradies from that era then even paying to replace the whole thing including stringers is less than $1500. If it's a glass floor then removal and refitting is trickier and outside my experience.
 

letsbarbq

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

suzukidave,<br /><br />thank you very much for the helpful suggestions. I did go and see it today. The owner is a older gentleman, a grandfather, i might say. He had owned it for 10 years. He had a 150 yammy on it - then he felt the need for speed so he fabricated a jack plate and the engine sat back 12 inches from the transom. he wanted more fishin room.He replaced the 150 with a big block yammy 200. He had everything on and working. but the only problem that he stated was that the water line had gone up a few inches and that water was washing in when he would have a few fishers around the back...<br /><br />He admited that the 200 made the grady fly but he stated that it couldnt take it... so he removed it and bought a another grady and didnt want to fool with it anymore.<br /><br />the things I noted were few craks along the edge and around the top bolt. Is this normal? As for stress cracks, I havent crawled under the boat to view yet so I cant honestly say. <br /><br />I'm waiting for him to get his title this weekend and I'm going to make another trip out there. I remember those important notes and hopefully everything is sound. <br /><br />the only thing about the hull I kind of grinch about is the hull on the side. Its not the smooth sides like the newer gradies. ITs the sides that are layered, kinda looks like vinyl sidings to me. Do you know if these are stronger or weaker designs? Of are they just unpopular.... just curious.
 

suzukidave

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BBQ<br /><br />The slat sided hull is decorative so far as I know. I believe the boats were still laid up the same way in a mold but it's supposed to make the boat resemble an old clinker built wood hull. This style was big in the 70's I guess. Bell Buoy is another brand that got into it. Apart from looking a touch dated (or classic depending on your perspective) I don't think it makes any difference. Others may know more.<br /><br />What you say about the jack plate, 200 and resulting trim trouble and overpowering issues is not encouraging. I don't know the weight/hp rating for that transom but shipping water aft in any conditions is a sign the motor is too big. I'm not too clear though because I thought you could throw twin 120's on a boat that size. Anyway, overloaded and Overpowered puts strain on the transom and hull. He spent a lot of $ for the jack plate and big motor so he could run fast so assume he did just that. With enough power on the back and gas in your tank you can run a deep v at 35 mph in a serious chop but over time you will just jolt the boat to pieces. If it was run that way the hull took way more stress than originally intended and could be thrashed. Check the mfg. plate. If he exceeded rated horespower I wouldn't buy it without a survey of the hull at a minimum.
 

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

That boat should be rated for 235 hp on plate but you would never use that much hp unless flat water,i have 82 150-175 plenty If the price is fair better than 40000$$
 

letsbarbq

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suzukDave and chumbucket,<br /><br />you two must be talknng about a bigger gw. I might be wrong. but the one I am referring to is the 204. its a small 20 footer and the transom is opened for only one outboard. That was the layout before. He had a 150 on it and it ran fine. then he wanted more speed so he fabricated the plates to extend the new 2000 200 hp Vmax bigblock yammy on the rear of that... soon he found it was too much weight for the transom. he openedly admited to it. with the 150 he said it ran 40s and with the 200 he said it ran mid 50s. --- (thats what he claims) not me. I'll try to make a trip out there and take a few pictures and then post it here so you can see what I am talking about.<br /><br />chumbucket are you talking about a 40000 boat?
 

suzukidave

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

I guess I don't know the boat. Those kind of speeds make it sound like a smaller boat than I'm thinking. All the more reason to take a hard look at the hull if he's been running it at 50mph. Why did he want that kind of speed for -- was he running out far offshore? I guess personally I'd be edging away from this one. I'd be much more interested in buying a used boat of that age from a guy who ran it at 30.
 

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I have pictures.... let me figure out how to paste them on...or I guess you can email me for some pictures. <br /><br />I have pictures now. You can go to www.picturetrail.com/79gradywhite and then click on the pictures you wanna see.<br /><br />As you can we have the 2 long through bolts they were put there to support the transom when he put the 12 inch jack plates to hold up the 200 big block VMAX yammy. <br /><br />I did a thorough tapping of the hull, deck, transom and all sounds very solid. I couldnt tap on most of the transom cause there was a plate on it. <br /><br />let me know what you think.
 

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

Looks like a great buy. Finding a good motor is the question.<br /> Good luck and have fun.<br /> MRM
 
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BBQ,<br /><br />What a GREAT project boat. The transom looks a little scary with all of those contraptions attached to it. See if you can find any holes that go all the way through the transom and do some poking around in there-looking for rot.<br /><br />Also, look at the bottom, as others have suggested, paying close attention to the keel area. Look for small cracks that may have had water running OUT of them.<br /><br />The lines on the side are purely decorative. The boat was molded to look like the older wooden "lapstrake" designs.
 

suzukidave

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

that's a very nice looking boat except for the transom. I take back some of my concerns. I'd be looking very hard at it.
 

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

Good looking boat. I am partial to stainless steel myself and find that it is stronger than AL. I would remove that aluminum plate, investigate and use it as a pattern for a stainless steel plate. If you can locate a good motor at a reasonable price I would go for it. If you want help getting a stainless steel plate manufactured let me know...there is a great place locally (in VT) that I use for all my work.<br /><br />Bob_VT<br /><br />RPF924@stowetel.com
 

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BBQ, I'd get someone with some knowledge to look at that transom and if OK, I'd jump on that boat. I had a 22 seafarer, mid 80s with a 235 rde on it and it ran way high in the 40s. I currently have a 1979 25 kingfisher with I/Os and had some transom rot in wood that I repaired, not that bad, but otherwise both are fantastic high quality well built boats that lead the 20 to 30ft market in quality both then and now.
 

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

Bar-b-q I mean new 2002 20ft grady with some goodies 40.000 $$$$ Forty G,s That 79 even with week trans or little elbow beats that price
 

letsbarbq

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Yes, 40 grand for a boat that you probably would use about 3-4 times a month is quite costy. Or atleast it is to me.<br /><br />I was doing some research on the internet and ran into some website that had some stuff that they were selling to repair the transom. <br /><br />I ran a keyword search on this forum and then read about a transom fixer that came in a 5 gallon bucket. That you pour into the transom after you drilled and sucked out the old rotted wood. Its called sea cast pourable transom repair.<br /><br />The web site is www.transomrepair.com and the material they are selling seems to be logically work. Has anyone out there had experience with it? Is it as easy as they claim it to be? If so, AMEN!<br /><br />This is one of the options that I am considering if I purchase this GW - or if the transom needs to be repaired. This and a plate to toughen it a little more. <br /><br />What do you guys think of that Seacast?
 

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read around the list.. there are tons of replys about seacast.. I am trying to get my hands on some myself..<br /><br />Its not cheap, but its supposed to be much stronger then wood, and never need replacing.. those two things alone make it worth it to me.<br /><br />rgds<br /><br />frank
 

letsbarbq

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frank,<br /><br />yes, that makes it well worth it. Its cheaper than taking it out to the fiberglass place. <br /><br />I bet the boat will rot and the transom will be the only thing around in 100 years. wouldnt that be turn around.<br /><br />Why dont someone make a boat made up of sea cast material????
 

letsbarbq

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I just pulled the boat home today. -- now i have a mission to find a 150 hp outboard. anyone know of where I can get one cheap?
 

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Check on EBAY,<br />There is a outfit called AuctionsUS.com I think it used to be bentboat.com. They have some sales floor repo's 2000 or 2001 models all the time. Bramd new still in the crate. The last time I looked a 150 johnson was up to about $1200 - $1500<br />Good Luck<br />Sean
 

letsbarbq

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Re: 79 walkaround grady white. stay away? or buy

Thanks Saperry,<br /><br />I'll look into that. I found a few in Houston that sounds like a buy. I'll check that out.<br /><br />thanks for the help. I'll keep you guys posted with pictures in the future of the boat's progress.
 
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