'86 Starcraft Aluminum Fishmaster 16' transom repair

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If your boat doesn't leak, I wouldn't mess with the foam other than taking a couple of core samples near the stern just to make sure it isn't waterlogged on the bottom.

If your foam is dry on the bottom, just leave it... it won't come out that neatly and will never go back in the way it came out.
 

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If your boat doesn't leak, I wouldn't mess with the foam other than taking a couple of core samples near the stern just to make sure it isn't waterlogged on the bottom.

If your foam is dry on the bottom, just leave it... it won't come out that neatly and will never go back in the way it came out.

Cool thanks man. That's the way I felt. I left the boat in the Albemarle sound for a week and when I pulled it out and pulled the plug it didn't have any water in it at all. Ill let ya know how it goes I'm pulling transom and floors this weekend.
 

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Jig what is this ABX and MDO plywood you speak of? Will they have it at lowes or do I need to order it? I just wonder because I went on their online site and it seems that the only exterior grade they have is pressure treated.
 

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DO NOT buy pressure treated! The chemicals in it are very corrosive to aluminum.

ABX means one face of the plywood is sanded very smooth with no knots or patches (that's the A side). The B side will be sanded smooth with no knots but will have patches where the knots were. The X is for exterior grade glue holding the plies together, this glue is waterproof.

MDO is Medium Density Overlay plywood, it is more rigid than regular plywood and has an epoxy coated material facing on one or both sides. You may be able to order this through Lowes, but one of your local lumber yards may have it in stock. This plywood is used for making exterior plywood signs and concrete form work.

I just looked at Lowes online selection of exterior grade plywood and the best they have is CDX which is a pretty crappy grade of plywood. It'll have knots in the C face and knots that have fallen out of the veneer on the D face and some large voids in between the inner plies... plus it'll warp pretty bad if you look at it wrong.

See if they can order the better stuff for you or try another store or lumber yard.
 

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Cool thanks man. That makes a lot of sense.
 

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You might also look to see if they have any Arauco Plywood. It's lammed with 100% waterproof glue and has 7 laminations. Really good stuff, but since their factory burned down, it's sometimes hard to find.
 

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You might also look to see if they have any Arauco Plywood. It's lammed with 100% waterproof glue and has 7 laminations. Really good stuff, but since their factory burned down, it's sometimes hard to find.

Ok. How much does that go per sheet?!?
 

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Usually around $40 bucks.
 

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I've only seen it in 1 HD in WV between Martinsburg & Charles Town, and I don't remember how much it was here, but it was less then MDO, which is used for all road signs and is also a great plywood to consider.

And they are both less then marine plywood.

Are these guys close to you in VA:

HarborSales
Sudlersville MD 21668

1/2 4X8 1 Sided MDO $46
3/4 4X8 1 Sided MDO $61

And lots of choices in marine and exterior fir plywood:
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If you can, try to find the Arauco, most who use it really like it, and at $40 (+/-) it's a pretty good deal...............

However, if you want to order 25-50+ sheets of 23/32" Exterior Fir, I'll take 3 sheets :D
 

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Haha thanks man that's pretty informative.
 

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I'll even pay yeah IN ADVANCE if it helps ya out...
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They are NOT a low cost provider, but they do have lots of plywood choices, and if you want to outfit a cuddy cabin in mahogany or teak veneer ply, they've got it. And will cut ply for $1 per cut (I think) and have a material maximizer that will orient the pieces you dimension onto the fewest sheets possible. Which I use, and then buy the plywood locally, it's pretty handy...

BTW: They also carry 5X10 sheets in several types of ply. Hard to find, but usually at quite a premium...
 

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I'm about 4 hours from that wood yard. I'm goin to call around today and see if something is closer.
 

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Jign, I found some bcx at lowes and the spar urethane you were talking about. Are the floors going to be 3/4" ply or 1/2" I can't remember.
 

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Jign, I found some bcx at lowes and the spar urethane you were talking about. Are the floors going to be 3/4" ply or 1/2" I can't remember.

BCX will work... and your deck thickness depends on what you have down there now (it looks like 1/2" in the pic). If you have 1/2" and try to use 3/4" everything that sits on your deck will be a 1/4" higher and the rivet holes won't match up.

Your transom wood needs to be 2 layers of 3/4" for a 1-1/2" thick transom.

If you're going to be sealing decking and transom it will be better to go with the epoxy resin it's much stronger than the urethane and only a little more expensive. If you just needed a little bit the urethane would be ok and cheaper than ordering the epoxy online, but ordering a large amount of epoxy online makes it worth the shipping cost. To coat both sides and edges of your decking and transom you're probably going to need the 1 gallon kit of epoxy resin which is almost 1 1/2 gallons when you combine the resin and hardener.

Order your epoxy from here:
Epoxy :*Epoxy Resins and Hardeners

Since it's cold weather I suggest the 635 fast mix with the 4:1 mix ratio, it'll dry and cure much faster than the spar will too... which means less waiting time between coats.
 

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Cool thanks bro that's perfect. I think I will go the epoxy route. A little more work and few extra bucks will go a long way. I'm doing it in a heated garage by the way. :)
 

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Unless you can keep your garage 80*F+ I'd still go with the 4:1 fast mix at this time of year, as mentioned above... less time between coats and less chance of an amine blush which takes even longer to set.

You want to work quickly when applying epoxy anyway. Some people like to roll it on which is ok, but it wastes too much material for me that way. I use the pour and spread method, mix a small batch and dump it onto the plywood and spread it around with a small screed and then back brush with a chip brush. The screed I use is actually a $4.50 plastic wallpaper tool from Home Depot, it spreads the material out evenly and quickly. Here's a pic:
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The red plastic cups are great for mixing the epoxy in and you just trash them after each batch, the same with the chip brushes.

I used the 635 3:1 mix in 90*F+ weather and had plenty of time to lay everything down with the spread method, and still had to wait 24 hrs. between coats... but I was pleased with the results:
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4 coats is like a sheet of glass over your plywood without any worries of water ever soaking into it.

I like to sand with 120 grit between coats, not real heavy... but just enough to knock the shine off and give the next coat something to grab onto.

When you buy your epoxy, be sure to buy the pumps too for easy measuring of the mix.

You may also want to pick up a quart of the SM Fairing compound, it makes a great filler for skimming over any bad spots (knots on the C side) and filling any voids you may find when you make your cuts. Just mix the powder with a little bit of epoxy resin to a peanut butter consistency and skim or fill.
Fillers
 

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Wow looks great! But seems like a lot of coats if I am goin to cover the wood up with marine vinyl or carpet. Would I still need only a gallon of that epoxy if I wanted to do multiple coats?
 

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I did 4 coats on all the wood in my 17' deep V with a 1/2 gallon kit and had a little left over, and that included making some filler with the SM fairing compound.

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I didn't do the backside of the wood because it doesn't touch my floatation foam and stays dry... but it looks like your plywood lays on top of the foam and you need to protect the back side as much as the top, so you'll need about twice as much as I did.
 

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Cool dude. You're the man thanks for spending so much time with me on this. I just don't want to half *** it.
 

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No problemo bubba, glad to help. If you need anything else just give a holler.
 
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