89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

the motor does everything but fire up with the red connector

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

Try it with the connector undone and jump it out and see what happens. If it was a fuse problem as mentioned before, it would not crank over with the key. So don't worry about the fuse. Key switch will not work with the connector diconneced. Just so you know. Try a different battery(Out of your car if nessesary) and try it again to see if the starter engages. Put some WD-40 on the starter gear shaft(right above the starter gear), to make sure the gear slides up the shaft freely. If your battery is just a little low, it will not have enough power to push the gear up and engage the flywheel. Or, it could be corroded or bad connections. The main thing now, is to jump out the selonoid and see what happens. I should have asked if it will NOW turn over with the key switch and WITH red connector connected??

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

hey rick here's a DUMB question <br />(i know there's no such thing as a DUMB question) but lets see how this one ranks ......................<br />.............<br />why didn't i check to see if <br />the battery cables were clean and <br />making a solid connection?????????<br />?????<br />?<br />not that the cables were <br />corroded, there was some. <br />so while cleaning them off one <br />of the o-rings connectors<br /> came off now it wasn't the<br /> POS+ to the engine cable it<br /> was the POS+ to the trolling<br /> moter (i think) but i know it<br /> wasn't the POS+ to the engine.<br /> so i put a new crimp and<br /> CHECKED THE OTHER 2 WIRES <br />(THERE'S 3 TOTAL) ALL CLEAN AND<br /> SNUG now i was going to disconnect<br /> the red connector and jump the <br />starter as you suggested but i <br />desided to give it one more shot<br /> (oh I also replaced the spark <br />plugs with a gap of 0.035 manual<br /> says 0.030 other say 0.040 works<br /> better i'm in the middle <br />(should i be?)...so i turned it<br /> over and it STARTED!!! all that <br />roaming around looking for an <br />answer and it STARTED!!! looks like <br />the battery needed cleaning<br /> snuging and maybe a little boost<br /> from a battery charger until the <br />battery's up to snuff.............<br />..............but hold on not<br /> so fast.......she said it run 3<br />or 4 time right from the first <br />crank water coming in and water <br />coming out, some white smoke at <br />first but once it's running smoke <br />disapates. it smoked every <br />time i fired it up and cleared<br /> once running. tried to start <br />a 5th time it was a little <br />reluctant to start, it was looking <br />like i was back to square one <br />when it fired up. but now theres <br />no water coming out the drain hose <br />so i shut it off (i say ****!!!! no water... <br />now thats not good)<br /> so i waited a bit and them tried <br />it agian now I'M BACK TO SQUARE ONE<br /> IT WON'T START....<br />but this has got to be incourging news wouldn't you say i mean it did start.... so i need to work this problem out because i'm ASSUMING that i would need to be able to fix i problem like this on the water our i'll be rowing home or tugging my boat home with the trolling motor

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

It won't start or it won't crank? What do the plugs look like? Wet, Dry, Ect. Both look the same on both cylinders> Is the powerhead so hot after running it for a few minutes that you can't touch it without having to pull your fingers away to avoid getting burned?

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

ok now i just went out and cranked it over and it started but there's still no water coming form the hose so i don't know if i've moved from one problem to another. it does get hot but not hot enough to burn you although with out any water from the drain hose i don't wanna run it to long.

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

Drain hose (Pee Hole) may just be clogged. Run a piece of wire up into it or shoot some compressed air up the hose and see if there is a obstuction. Then try it again. Very Common...

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

so what do you think it was i hope it wasn't just me being DUNB and not checking to make sure the battery was properly connected and if that is it and the hose comes clean with a douching of the hose.<br />i'm going to go out right now and see if it clears out then i'll be back to tell you what happened

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

rick,<br /> i'm back to square one. i smell gas so i think i'm flooding it. could this be a fuel problem as the lady at the marina says? she thinks my explanation of the problem may be the VRO i'm beginning to think she may be right because as i said before it started up and ran great well great maybe a little misleading but it started none the less and that was yesterday i'd hate to think i'd have to start the troubleshooting all over again but i would also hate having to install a 250.00 VRO............ what would you recommened i do now?<br />thanks

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

the engine wont run now is there anything i didn't do that i shoud have? i'm kind of at my wits end here all that troubleshooting and getting it running to then reverting right back to square one

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

hey rick not that i'm back to square one

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

Let me sort all this out, as this is getting to be a long post and we really need to know where you are at right now. <br /><br />So now it cranks when you turn the key, but won't start?<br />You smell gas from somewhere? Do you see any gas coming from anywhere? <br />Is fuel getting to the plugs?(What do they look like?)<br />Do you have spark now? (Recheck it) #1 thing to do<br />What is your starting procedure? Pump the primer bulb firm, hit the choke and turn the key?

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

hey rick,it always cranked and smelt of fuel. i don't see any gas. as for fuel getting to the plugs, i wouldn't know what to look for. the plugs are brand new gapped at 0.035 the book says 0.030 others swear by 0.040 what would you gap at??? as for rechecking the spark will a spark plug test light to this??? should i disconnect the red connector again while doing the test light??? and yes that is my starting procedure pump, push and turn..

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

Yes, The main thing right now is to see if you have spark(Doubt it). Use the spark light tester to find out. Make sure your battery is fully charged. Leave the red connector connected for now. The reason I asked what the spark plugs looked like, is that even though they are new, they should be wet with fuel if it's not firing. Check for spark first. Then remove the plugs. See what they look like.<br /><br />Gap at .040 on the plugs...

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

thanks, so the plugs should be wet with fuel because there not firing???/ i'll re-gap to 40....what should the plugs look like??? would they be wet and dark from fuel if there's no spark and clean(er) and dry if i am getting a spark???/ i'll test the plugs with the test light... i'll give all this a try during the day tomorrow weather permitting

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

they should be wet with fuel if it's not firing

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

and if there not firing what should i check for next?

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

I would have to guess your powerpack is dead...

 

[martygry7162]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

is this the item in question? web page is there some kind of test i can do to check the pack?

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 89 rude 40hp o/b wont (electric START)????

Marty, Let me just say that the pack being at fault is just a guess. It could be the stator, trigger, kill circuit or a number of things. To go through all of these things will require a Manual and some special test equipment. I would get a Manual and read it well at this point. Have you tried all the tests I have suggested so far? Many of these I have not recieved answers on, so it's hard to tell what we have and have not. This appears to be an intermittant problem and those are the hardest to diagnois. The main and only question right now is: Are you getting spark to the plugs with a fully charged battery? As one very respected member posted on this subject a while back said:<br /><br />>first, try disconnecting the kill wire at the packs.(black/yellow) if you have a grounded kill circuit, you'll have no spark.<br />>then check all grounds, plugs and harnesses for breaks, corrosion and tightness.<br />>try for spark with rectifier or regulator disconnected<br />>then check the charge stator voltage<br />>then check the trigger voltage<br />>if all above checks OK, suspect the packs<br /><br />Best I can do right now... <br /><br />And yes, that is the powerpack, but they are expensive and I don't want to see you spend unnessesary money if it's something else. Also, this might be a good time to start a new post titled " Motor will not start" and explain what happened and is happening now. No need to get into the specifics. You may get more opinions this way. Normally the moderators want you to stay with the same post, but in this case, I think it's time to start over...