Abolish Minimum Wage

[SoulWinner]

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CYJ, then why not make the minimum wage $35,000 a year? Why not make it $100,000. a year? Why even have high school? Why not just go from diapers to the CEO of General Motors? HeII, why even have a job? Why not just have the Government cut everybody a check for a million dollars every year?

 

[Firestar]

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CYJ, then why not make the minimum wage $35,000 a year? Why not make it $100,000. a year? Why even have high school? Why not just go from diapers to the CEO of General Motors? HeII, why even have a job? Why not just have the Government cut everybody a check for a million dollars every year?

SW Damn WELL Said!!! Keep going! You reinforce everything that I have come to believe in my 52yrs. of life and spread in discussions with friends.
You are serving up a good plate of reality. I agree with you 100%! And the silent majority I'm sure does too.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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CYJ, then why not make the minimum wage $35,000 a year? Why not make it $100,000. a year? Why even have high school? Why not just go from diapers to the CEO of General Motors? HeII, why even have a job? Why not just have the Government cut everybody a check for a million dollars every year?

& you think we have a problem with illegal immigrants now?
While it is nice that you invested in some poor family, you got to pick 'em, presumably because you liked them....
Try spreading your largesse where you might not see a tangible result, then you can brag about it....
I find it odd that someone getting a government check would feel superior to someone else receiving same......JK

 

[SoulWinner]

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Haut, We have spent probably five times the money on other families than we did on the one that now ownes a successful home based photograpgy business, to see little or no real improvement in thier conditions. Some of them I wasn't thrilled about helping because of drug, alcohol, honesty issues. We will never stop helping our fellow folks. We do not begrudge one cent that we gave and was wasted, squandered, not appreciated. This has reinforced my belief that we as individuals or private groups can accomplish more for fellow Americans than the government.

But most of all, I appologize if I appeared to "brag" about this.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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My apologies as well......
I don't mean to attack you personally....
The minimum wage is irrelevant to most people anyway, but there are some who truly need it......
Even more so with the ADA....
I'm thankful that I don't need either, but I'm glad that they exist for those that do....
Just as it took an act of Congress to put it on the books, it will take the same to get it out....
I don't think that will or should happen.....JMHO.....JK

 

[Firestar]

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Subsidies. Here is a fact. While as a paramedic in Chicago during one of the coldest winters I have ever experienced, I recieved a call to one of the areas where subsidies....entitlements.....are the rule not the exception. The home was full of people having a party. A party mind you that did not stop when we entered and we were called for what supposedly was a life threatening event. HA! The heat was turned up to the max. I started sweating as soon as I entered. No emergency, as the usual for this area. The occupants had several windows WIDE open. Well I'll give them this, it was DAMN HOT in there. Do you think they had to pay for the heating bill?????????

 

[rolmops]

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Soulwinner,
With these opinions you will mostly preach against your own religion and you better forget about winning souls.

 

[KRS]

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...that employers are absolved of any impetus to pay higher.....

Not true. Employees have a vote in how much they are paid. They can 1) vote to accept it and continue working for that employer or 2) vote against it and find different employment.

 

[PW2]

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ADA mandates cost employers billions of dollars every year.Government regulations and "Acts" such as the Americans with Disabilities Act or American Family Leave Act are defacto taxes as they constitute costs to business that result from government intrusion into the economy.

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SW, If you don't want someone to comment on a thread, don't include it in the thread.

So you are a disabled vet, huh? I suspect you get those government checks you hate so much?

My daughter qualifies for SSDI, and she has never accepted a nickel. And she is the socialist?

Go win thoise souls friend. They deserve you!

 

[CJY]

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SW said:

"CYJ, then why not make the minimum wage $35,000 a year? Why not make it $100,000. a year? Why even have high school? Why not just go from diapers to the CEO of General Motors? HeII, why even have a job? Why not just have the Government cut everybody a check for a million dollars every year?"

You really can't figure that out?

I also find it incredible that you accept a check cut from the same press the checks are cut from you complain about. Very hypocritical, to say the least.


My guess, SW, if you were just now graduating from HS, your attitude would be different. Most soldiers enter right out of HS......right? Did You? They make more than minimum wage.......did you? Based on your own reasoning, kids with no need for money other than gas, have no reason to make more of it, and I quote you;

"High school kids flipping burgers for gas money do not require a living wage."

First of all, more than just HS kids flip burgers as that is their only option. Second of all, many "kids" right out of HS join the military. Everything is paid for in the military....meals, housing etc. On top of that, they earn a check greater than minimum wage. Based on your logic PW, they don't need it, so why pay them? Why did you earn a wage greater than minimum when you did not need it?

Don't give me this crap about the hazards of it either. That was not your reasoning. Your point for a low minimum wage was lack of need, not danger. 18 year olds joining the military do not require money. You said they don't need a house at 18. And I quote you again SW;

"Since when in the history of the world does one get out of high school and buy a house? What about getting some job skill and maturity to hold a job and develope some maturity and work ethic? Oh wait, this is supposed be a socialist uptoia right? Sure, that's the American way, right? "

What a hypocrite, absolutely incredible.



"Go cry in someon eles's beer"

Are you serious SW? You are the only person crying. You started this thread.

SW, I will pray for you, as you surely need it. You probably thought we were all atheist.


To clarify to all, my point regarding military pay is not my opinion. I was simply using SW's logic, or lack of it to make a point. It is my opinion that our military is very underpaid and I would have no problem with any amount they were paid.

 

[Firestar]

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Military wages and minimal wages are two seperate issues. Don't tie the two together. My daughter and son both did the flipping burger thing. Not for them. Guess what they decided to do. BETTER THEMSELVES, to make more money. Minimal wage is just that MINIMAL not LIVING. The unions were and are there for LIVING wage battles. Flipping burgers is for young people to see what it's all about. Not to make a career out of it.
Motivation for higher education isn't in raising minimal wages.

 

[Plainsman]

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So if I own a bussiness and employ 2 people at minimum wage and the minium wage is raised, guess what? One of those people are going to become unemployed. I am in business to provide a service and make money. So now the unemployment goes up, Hmmmmmm, must be W's fault.

And if little Johnney can't keep his thing in his pants, not my problem that he can't afford a house for his knocked up girlfriend. There is a trailer park somewhere he can live.

Flipping burgers should not be a life long carreer, if it is, so sorry to be you. If you have to start a job out of high school for minimum wage, get one that you can grow at. Plummer, construction, electrician, auto mechanic, whatever YOU choose.

Don't expect me to carry you through life or the gov't. Get off your lazy arse and do something.

As for unions, they had their place and time, not any more. If I guy on an assembly line wants $30.00 and hour, fine. But when his plant closes, I have no simpathy for him. Should have been happy at $20.00 an hour.

 

[SoulWinner]

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There are lots of things that could be done to improve America. Abolishing minimum wage is a small one. If a business is told how little to pay, they will pay that. Abolish minimum wage and I think that some wages would go down a little, like flipping burgers. Some would go up. But the whole pay range from entry to retirement would go way up if business weren't paying billion each year to remain in compliance with government mandates. It is a simple concept, and like lowering taxes to increase federal revenues, it is correct. I didn't realize that by mentioning the ADA I'd be dragging so many dirty nickers out of the wash....d How some people can't see that this is just another brick in the socialist wall that dragging America down...well that just puzzles me. Booker T. Washington and Helen Keller didn't need government assistance to do great things. Why do some people think that greatness is achieved through a government program? That is shear lunacy. I'm not apologetic for my faith in the abilities of my fellow American, and his or her ability to achieve greatness with the help of a bloated, inefficient federal bureaucracy. Some of you have such a dim and pathetic view of humanity. Very sad.

Other things that would help America; abolish the IRS and adopt the "Fair Tax." There is a long list of things that could be done to restore our nations glory.

 

[bernieb]

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This thread has opened a can of worms and I am for one that likes to look at the past to see how we got where we're at today. This country is heavily in debt and digging deeper, and anybody can live good when someone else is doing the work. What the hell is education good for ,if you don't know how to do anything? or still better not willing to do anything. America has lost its main ingredient in what made it
great and thats for the little man, the in-coming immigrant legally to have a chance. The unions want the good jobs sewed up by contract , the federal government wants a better life style than the people that support them .World competition is putting us in our place and we're crying, and believe it or not we're in a war and where is the patriotism? protect what ,Walmart ? The corporate world has eliminated the chance of our returning warriors from the war to own a business that will bring them well earned dignity but there will be plenty of welfare and government programs for them. Minimum wage is nothing more than a "conscience" level in place while the (not all) "educated" on disability is sucking the system dry. We have become a lawyer nation ,and just read how Starbucks is getting sued for millions over a free cup of coffee. We are getting back to where the masses are starring at the graineries.

 

[snapperbait]

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[JasonJ]

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I see nothing good about abolishing minimum wages. Its really fun to think that we live in a lolly-pop wonderland where employers will dole out all that extra cash that they aren't spending on government enforced whatevers.

Then reality sets in. The reality is that business is farming out work to other countries to save money, period. They don't even want to pay the minimum wage, let alone a more substantial wage, so they pay 13 year old Chinese girls 43 cents an hour to make the same product an American would demand at least the minimum wage for. If left unchecked, and no minimum in place, a lot of employers would pay as little as they could. There is the mindset in business right now that everyone is expendible, and there are three people outside waiting to take your job right now.

Should a person strive for betterment, get an education, go for the good life? Sure. Guess what though, not everyone gets to have the good life. Someone has to do the dirtywork, and no one is going to pay high wages to have the dirty work done. How on earth does a good proper business man expect to own three homes if he has to pay his employees actual wages? It is downright naive to actually think that all you have to do is get a degree and jump on in there and you will make mad money. Everybody and their goat has a college degree. There are only so many good paying jobs, and only so many people can get them. The rest have to do the dirty work. I have lost track of how many college graduates who are well trained that I know that are working multiple low paying jobs to get by. There simply are not enough good paying jobs to go around, period. That leaves the low paying jobs. To say those people should be punished by even lower wages is just about as anti-social as one can be, because they would be paid even less without minimum wage. That is the foundation of capitolism: Keep cost low, keep profit high.

Lets get real folks. Why pay an employee more when you can pay them less and you in turn make more money. The whole purpose of the minimum wage is to keep employers in check. You know darn well for every employeer that would pay a decent wage with no minimum wage, there are hundreds that would pay as little as possible to get the job done so they can pay for that house in the Hamptons.

I don't have a problem with profit and betterment. I do have a problem with it happening on the backs of the working man, and basically the proposal to eliminate minimum wage only benefits business and employers.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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So how long ago was it that you quit recieving public aid SW?

 

[Pony]

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Most Jobs are above the minimum wage anyways. Yes, even a burger flipper. Lot of people flipping burgers make $8 an hour, last time I checked that was above the minimum wage. There is no advantage that I can see to lowering it, and if they did, you know that employers would take full advantage.

Minimum wage is just a small part of a complex problem. It starts with education and spirals from there. We have generations of people with no education and no way to get one.....no way of moving out of poverty, and no desire to. Why would you when you get Welfare. Then once you can't get that, the cycle continues.

 

[Firestar]

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Last I heard businesses like Walmart, Save More, Aldi's, Sears, and a hell of a lot more start you at higher then minimum wage for entry level positions. There is no reason to increase it. It's a lousy politician that's looking for votes from an uneducated mass that pushes for it. If you cannot see that it all ends up being paid for by Joe public you are one of the uneducated mass. The prices of everything will go up accordingly.

 

[rodbolt]

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I got no furmal edykashun, bet I make a lot more a year than some of the posters here .
however I have about 9 years of technical training in various fields from machining,to automotive to electronics to marine gas inboard,outboard and stern drive systems.
best I remember no one held the door open for me to get the training, in fact quite often I either had to quit or pay for it myself, I did get 3 years of electronics school at taxpayer expense while making 4.50 an hour with bennies.
ALL my marine schools I paid all transportation,lodging and eating expenses since 93.
in fact I have a volvo school coming up this year and another yamaha school in febuary, IN FREAKING WI.
both will come out of my pocket.
so its not all education, its mostly motivation.
its funny but there are two techs working at a place I work, both are mad at me most the time. they ask a question and I reply with a question.
they say I make them feel stupid.
I say I am gonna make you tell me why you think your diagnoses is correct and show me in the manual.
I wont normally just tell them the answer.
whats even funnier, other than some early jobs in high school and just out of it working at service stations, I have never worked a wally world or fast food service type job.
even in high school I either worked wrecking yards,service stations or auto shops.
I was a senior when working as an apprentice to a journeyman porshe tech at a porshe mazda,audi and VW dealer.
I was apprenticed to the porshe and mazda journeyman.
I got to drive some of the first 928"s in the country, what mutts, a good driver with a 5spd RX-7 would eat it up.
but the winshield type wipers on the headlights were cool
so I will repeat myself.
its mostly a matter of self disciple and self motivation than just a parent paid education.