Abolish Minimum Wage

[CJY]

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Firestar,

You are calling people "a step above an idiot" for their opinion? Only one type of person does that. That type is one step below an idiot.

I also like how you tell people what they need to be qualified to speak about this topic. The type of person that does this, at best is a step below an idiot.

It also appears, at least by your own account, you have experienced everything. Only one type of person believes such nonsense, they too, are a step below an idiot.

Firestar, you did not understand one of my earlier posts, do you need me to spell this one out for you too?

You are my hero. You have experienced everything, you know what is required to have an opinion, and you know what is best for everyone.

I am an ultra liberal......by one single opinion you can tell that? You are the man! You know nothing, but believe you know everything. Only one type of person believes such BS.......are you catching on yet......genius?

 

[rwise]

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ok lets say you just graduated high school, your girl friend is pregnant, you are getting maried, you need a place to stay and the only place that will give you a job (right now!) only pays minimum wage (which is to laugh at) how are you going to make it? (without assistance)

Why should I pay for someone else's poor life choices? Why should the Federal government pass laws to make life easier for people who make poor life choices? What constitutional authority do they have to do that? Why should the economy subsidize activities like unplanned parenthood?

Have you ever been poor, do you know what it's like to have to choose between buying a gallon of gas for the car or a gallon of milk for the baby? ,,,,,, never mind just not worth it

First off if you are so poor as to have to choose between a gallon of gas and a gallon of milk for the baby, you never should have made a baby in the first place and .....well......what the hell are you doing with a car? These irresponsible people that get themselves into these positions should be chastised. Not felt sorry for. I have seen 15 year old mothers, I hate using such a nice name for what they truely should be called, with green cards (that you the taxpayer pays for) have 3 children listed on them.
I have two children. I would have loved to have more. I could only AFFORD two children. Hence, you can figure this one out, I only had two.
Making babies when you should be getting an education is a problem in itself and does not have anything to do with minimum wage. There are to many social programs which by some of the users are concidered "entitlements". Minimum wage is a seperate issue.

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[rwise]

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Rwise, yes I have been that poor.
I was an E-3 in the USN.
I had been married 7 years and my daughter was 3 years old when I joined the canoe club. lived in forretsal villiage housing in great lakes IL making a whopping 600 a month and 100 a month was taken out to pay for my GI bill.
the myth that your seabag is issued is just that,a myth. mine cost 869 dollars and they took it out of my 520 a month E-1 pay.
most all the enlisted there qualified for welfare, a few had to take it. I did not.
but yes the choice between food and gas came up often, the choice between doing what I had to do as a husband and father came up a lot the first couple years.
minimum wage is a joke, but it makes good CNN coverage for political posturing.
sometimes folks get into a mess not of their own making and ya gotta take care of them temporarily as a society.
my beef is the folks that make social aid a way of life.
years ago my mom was working as an RN at mobile infirmary, they had hired a young woman ,single 2 kids, as a CNA trainee from a govt program.
when she completed the program and was hired full time it put her 10 dollars a month over the aid limit so the aid was shut off completely.
she had to quit and go back on welfare to stay alive.
thats the type things I dislike.
I dislike the mothers who have 6 babies by 5 different fathers and never had a job as well.
a simple solution, no babies daddies names on the birth cert and no welfare money, we get babies daddies name and he either supports his child or goes to jail.
once in jail we can find him a job to assist him with child support.
its not the social programs I dislike, most overall are well intentioned. most are to politically connected and subject to abuse.
when the rehub party took over control in 2000 I was estatic, I knew my party would have the chance to make great strides in reforming a lot of this.
man was I wrong,again.
after 6 years our domestic policy still is rather sucky sucky.
so minimum wage is just a political ploy. dont buy into it.
you think that car dealer down the street would just eat a 100 dollar a car increase? ya think joe schmucks meat market would eat a 300 dollar a carcass increase ?
nope. will be passed along.
thats the capitalist side of the nation.
ya think that gas station down on the corner will eat the 3 cents a gallon price increase they just got stuck with ?
man I hate politicians that posture for election time.

I agree with much you have to say, not all :/

 

[rwise]

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Might be a better thing to give the low income people a tax break, if they did not have to pay 50% of there earnings in taxes, maybe just maybe they could buy milk and go to school to better them sleves and our country. I have been poor, had $10 bucks to live on and no jobs anywhere, 5 to the tank and 5 to food (no kids yet) picked up scrap metal from the side of the road for an income (someone needs to clean up after those who dirty our country) and I made more than I was making when I lost my job! And I made much more than minimum wage doing it, actually hired some people to help at a roadside dump! I'm not rich now, nor am I poor, but I have been there.

Without minimum wage some that would have made it will not!

 

[Firestar]

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Firestar,

You are calling people "a step above an idiot" for their opinion? Only one type of person does that. That type is one step below an idiot.

I also like how you tell people what they need to be qualified to speak about this topic. The type of person that does this, at best is a step below an idiot.

It also appears, at least by your own account, you have experienced everything. Only one type of person believes such nonsense, they too, are a step below an idiot.

Firestar, you did not understand one of my earlier posts, do you need me to spell this one out for you too?

You are my hero. You have experienced everything, you know what is required to have an opinion, and you know what is best for everyone.

I am an ultra liberal......by one single opinion you can tell that? You are the man! You know nothing, but believe you know everything. Only one type of person believes such BS.......are you catching on yet......genius?

Hey genius I didn't call you an idiot. Read my response again. This time without the paranoia.

 

[LadyFish]

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Just a friendly reminder:

Flammatory comments will not be tolerated during a discussion. Please try and keep it civil or this thread will have to be locked.

 

[CJY]

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Done here.

 

[rwise]

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yep, there are some that I will simply agree to disagree with 8)

 

[Haut Medoc]

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:$ Scolded by LF.....
Haha! d

 

[txswinner]

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I have been blessed with education and a good income. Yes I worked hard but did I pay my own way. NO, scholarships, late hours and thank goodness the family support and the Lord blessed me with the ability to think (although I know some of you question that).

When we can no longer look out and help others not as blessed as we, then the nature and difference between humans and other animals is over.

Soul, You compare Mein Kampf and its writer to liberalism, well you ability to think is proven. Totally opposite just as Nazism and Communism are seen as opposites. It is clear that anything not to your liking or as you are directed becomes liberal to you.

Thank God, you consider me a liberal.

How about we stop this social system with you. Disabled vet, why should we support you. You got hurt working a job for which you were paid. Why doesn't your family take care of you.

Please no one else take this remark as meaning I do not support disabled vets because my history here is just the opposite. However, for SW to make his claim then tell us he is a disabled vet is nuts.

 

[rodbolt]

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well the USN (DoD) cuts me a check for 400 a month as long as I stay alive.
I dont know where the free food and clothes myth came from.
if I had been single and lived on the ship,6 men in a 9x7 space, and ate all my meals from the ships galley. then part of it would be free.
ya still have to buy all uniform articles and toiletries and such.
my seabag set me back 869 in 1987, now I understand its almost double that.
the seabag is a minimum requirement that MUST be maintained but in actual service ya gotta have a whole lot more.

but the minimum wage issue is just political pandering.
in the 9th grade I worked for the city of Vallejo Ca,waste division, cleaning ditches one summer. got paid the minimum 2.65 per hour. the next year I had done some studying and reading and got a slot at 3.50 an hour on the Mare iland industrial waste water treatment facility.
found I could make more as an auto tech and continued my technical education for that.
minimum wage is just that, its a minimum. never was designed as a living wage.
if one desires more than the minimum then one must make oneself more desirable to the employer.
only a few ways to do that.
in my position the dealers know they can pay my wages or joe schmuck dealer down the street will.
it took 20 years of hard work to get here.
at about 11 I took a job culling taters, at 12 it was pitching melons and picking pecans,at 13 it was baling hay and picking cucumbers.
most I ever made was about 1.60 an hour.
the lesson is still fresh in my mind.
I recieved my first chiltons manual,which I still have, at age 8.
chiltons manual that coved briggs,techumseh,kohler,Onan and a few others.
I found I could make more on saturdays and sundays fixing friends lawn mowers than actually mowing grass.
that lesson remained as well.
so minimum wage can go up 1 dollar an hour and other than some political posturing it wont make a hill of beans in anyones pocket.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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After reading through these posts, there has not been one mention about why it is a big concern to raise the wage.

Many government jobs are based off of minimum wage. It is a base figure. Once it is raised, very many of these jobs based off the min. wage will see a very large increase in pay above and beyond the cost of living increase. Of course those that will see the increase in their checks is the one pushing for the big increase. Those are also the ones that does not want the public to be aware of this.

My opinion is that minimum wage should increase with the rate of inflation, not the big jump they are trying to push through.

I do agree that this is the land of opportunity and it is what you make it. Everyone should be responsible for themselves vs being a parasite living off the system. The system is good for those that really need it for temporary events but not for their entire life.

 

[demsvmejm]

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I really don't want to sound rude, but SW, it sounds like you fell of your meds. I do not recall the last time I read posts from you soooooo seething. But....

Is there a better way to handle staring remuneration? Several. Letting employers set wages and see who applies to job is one good way. Either applicants appear or they do not.

This is a great big business fallacy. One large local resort, many years ago tried hiring housekeepers. They wanted to pay minimum wage with a bonus for rooms cleaned over a certain # per day. They got very few applicants, so they whined and got special permission from the Federal Gov't to import Jamaican workers to fill these positions. However, to counter your point, a smaller hotel not too far from the resort also advertised for housekeepers. They paid $.50 more per hour and had a greater bonus on fewer rooms. Guess who got applicants and hired workers? The resort whined and received corporate welfare in the form of being allowed to hire immigrant workers for the wage they wanted to pay. So much for market forces. Market forces would have forced the resort to pay comparable wages to the smaller hotel. But noooo, the government gave them a welfare program that allowed them to escape market forces. So get real, some government intrusion is necessary.

 

[demsvmejm]

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And as for why the minimum rage increase is always rallied behind by the Democrats is because they are the only party working for the common, average citizen. Perhaps too zealously pushing entitlement programs, without sufficient safegards against abuse. The red party is working for big money, the well-to-do, corporate America, and the priviledged. And not necessarily in that order. Note, that nowhere in there did I mention that the Republican party ever works for the average American citizen, because it does not.

 

[rwise]

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smile people, today someone in America will loose there high paying job and be forced to take one of those low paying jobs to survive :\

 

[LadyFish]

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I can only speak to one side of the minimum wage issue. It has been my experience while working in the non-profit/community service sector for nearly ten years that those on welfare really don't want to get off. Welfare yields a much better monthly compensation than minimum wage. This is why those on welfare are not inspired to go back to work.

For example, a single mother of 3 on Welfare also receives food stamps and free medical in addition to her monthly compensation from welfare. If she were to go back to work and have to pay a day care for two children, purchase groceries, transporation, and pay medical insurance for her two children she would end up with less than she receives on Welfare.

Most people receiving Welfare only have a high school education and do not have the skills required to earn more than minimum wage. With living expenses at their current level I don't know how anyone can survive on minimum wage alone. And, why would they want to when there is a system that pays them more to stay home.

 

[Plainsman]

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smile people, today someone in America will loose there high paying job and be forced to take one of those low paying jobs to survive :\

And someone with a low paying job will get a job that pays very well.

 

[rwise]

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smile people, today someone in America will loose there high paying job and be forced to take one of those low paying jobs to survive :\

And someone with a low paying job will get a job that pays very well.

Well It seems that for every one of those, there are 10 or so the go down hill, at least in this area :|

 

[rwise]

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For example, a single mother of 3 on Welfare also receives food stamps and free medical in addition to her monthly compensation from welfare. If she were to go back to work and have to pay a day care for two children, purchase groceries, transportation, and pay medical insurance for her two children she would end up with less than she receives on Welfare.

Exactly, they are being trained to NOT try to do better!

Most people receiving Welfare only have a high school education and do not have the skills required to earn more than minimum wage. With living expenses at their current level I don't know how anyone can survive on minimum wage alone. And, why would they want to when there is a system that pays them more to stay home.

So maybe we should be pushing for education reforms instead of cutting minimum wage. Something like offer FREE training to those making minimum wage, and further assistance with the training to those with families on minimum wage! There has got to be some kind of incentive for these people else we will be paying for them forever! :/

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Well, here is part of the problem......
http://www.theseattletimes....
The Illegal Immigrant Labor article is what I am referring to.....JK