All Fiberglass Boats Have Rotten Stringers After 15 Years?

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After searching on stringers most of the posts seemed to suggest any glass boat more than 15 years is likely going to have rotten stringers. Is this generally true? Are there any brands of boats that are less prone to stringer rot?
 

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All boats are a product of their care. A well care-for 20 year old can be in better shape than a neglected 2 year old.
 

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WOW... I guess Skinnydippers stringers are going to rot this year, as she is hitting 14 years old...

^^^What he said^^^

John
 

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After searching on stringers most of the posts seemed to suggest any glass boat more than 15 years is likely going to have rotten stringers. Is this generally true? Are there any brands of boats that are less prone to stringer rot?

I would say that a fairly large percent of boats develop some extent of rot within the first 15 years. Some brands may be worse than others, but there is not much info to base any sort of ranking of brands.

Having been dealing with some rot in my boat that was discovered this year, but probably existed for many years, I can see better how boats start rotting from day 1. There are just too many 'nooks and crannies' where glassing voids are left during the layup process, that the probablilty is high that some exposure of the wood will exist. Even if the layup were done perfectly, typically during the next step in the manufacturing process, they drill holes in all sorts of places . . . so all bets are off.

Once moisture has a route into the structure of a fiberglass/wood boat, the wood will absorb moisture like a sponge and the fiberglass will keep it there.

Rigoruos maintenance seems to be the only way to prolong the life of the structure, and that is usually not done by many boat owners.

So, there you have it.. . . my observations.
 

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IMO, any boat with wood in it can potentially suffer from rotten stringers. Of course, the older the boat, the more likely it is to have water infiltration issues. There's no magic number as to age...

but maybe I'd better sell my boat now :facepalm:
 

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All boats are a product of their care. A well care-for 20 year old can be in better shape than a neglected 2 year old.

+1^ - I just had a 22 year old boat surveyed. Dry as a bone.
 

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Skinnydipper, a 1997 Bayliner Capri 1950 bought new and recently redone.
What was "redone" did you drill into stringers to check for rot? Consensus in forums seems to be stringers rot before floors.
 

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Stringers do not have an expiration date. However, the older the boat the greater the chances something has happened to put the stringers at risk. 1 year old - unlikely 40 years old - more likely, its basic odds. That being said, a boat that was well cared for and has had a diligent owner can beat the statistics very easily. So no, at 15 years old a boats stringers are not rotten by default. As far as alternatives to wood there are companies that make foam core stringers but they can absorb water, swell, freeze, or deform. There are also hollow fiberglass stringers but they do not dampen noise, can transmit engine vibrations, and generally aren't as structurally sound. Also there are aluminum and steel stringer but both find applications in boats of a certain size.
 

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I had never heard of all this rot until I joined this forum, but I've been around boats >50 years. The difference is that I am in salt water, where rot is not as likely an issue. It is fresh water that causes rot way more than salt. Obviously, if a salt water boat has rain water standing in it there can be an issue (called "sweetwater" by boat builders).

Another reason is that the boats I am around are better suited for outdoor use than the designs apparently popular for lake boating. This is a boating community here, where people aren't likely to own the rot-prone designs--or if they buy one when they are new at it, they don't buy another but switch designs.

I'm glad to be aware of it, but it's not a big issue for us. It may be a legitimate worry for others, though.
 

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Interesting, i've never seen anybody put a hard age on this before. If the owner(s) were diligent ones, then I can see stringers lasting far longer. I thinks some of the issue is that smaller and cheaper glass boats are purchased initially by new/inexperienced owners that just don't understand water is very damaging if left unchecked. A suprising number seem to store their boats outside and uncovered where the sun destroys them and the rain water rots them.
 

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What was "redone" did you drill into stringers to check for rot? Consensus in forums seems to be stringers rot before floors.

Replaced upholstery and carpet, had the keel re-glassed and gelcoated, plus other "cosmetic" stuff not really revelent to the discussion. Drilled into the floor at a few spots and found dry, light colored wood. Also drilled into the bulkhead between the ski locker and the fuel tank area, and between the fuel tank area and the bulge area with the same results. Based on those results, I wasn't going to remove the floor to check further as I didn't find it necessary. I did have a crack in the plywood floor where the ski locker cover sits that I repaired, but it didn't extend passed any bulkhead and ended where two sheets of plywood met forward of the fuel tank bulkhead.

On a side note, we live in a very dry climate, and I always keep the plug out and bulge drained while in storage.

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I had never heard of all this rot until I joined this forum, but I've been around boats >50 years. The difference is that I am in salt water, where rot is not as likely an issue. It is fresh water that causes rot way more than salt. Obviously, if a salt water boat has rain water standing in it there can be an issue (called "sweetwater" by boat builders).

Another reason is that the boats I am around are better suited for outdoor use than the designs apparently popular for lake boating. This is a boating community here, where people aren't likely to own the rot-prone designs--or if they buy one when they are new at it, they don't buy another but switch designs.

I'm glad to be aware of it, but it's not a big issue for us. It may be a legitimate worry for others, though.

Why no rot in salt versus fresh. Water is water (moisture)? By the way i used to live in Warwick. You old enough to remember the town? Now known as NewportNews.(merged) Born by the shipyard
 

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I have owned two rotted boats... a 1981 Wellcraft and a 1988 IMP. I have owned two non rotted boats... a 1987 Cruisers and a 1984 Silverton.
 

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Why no rot in salt versus fresh. Water is water (moisture)? By the way i used to live in Warwick. You old enough to remember the town? Now known as NewportNews.(merged) Born by the shipyard


yes I know Warwick--may go fishnig near there this weekend.

Rot is actually caused by the organisms in the water, not the water itself. The main culprits don't live in salt water. So the salt water in a bilge can act as a preservative (not that you would do that intentionally. You still have freeze damage, though, and can have fresh water in there from rain, etc. that will do you in. Also, as I said, the boats you see around salt water boaters aren't as prone--no carpet, more self-bailing decks, etc.
 

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It sure does seem to be the majority doesn't it. They are hard to find, but the dry ones are out there.
 

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If there is such a problem with stringer rot why haven't the builders used cedar?
 

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If there is such a problem with stringer rot why haven't the builders used cedar?

For the same reason they don't use teak for the stringers, sole, transom, etc. Nobody could afford the purchase price!
 

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Ok, something I know a little about. Dry wood will NEVER ROT, NEVER!!!!!!!! Just in case you didn't see it DRY WOOD WILL NEVER ROTT!

Like mentioned above, rot in wood is cause by a fungis, you have brown and white fungi. But the root cause to rot is the moisture to begin the process!! Without moisture to begin the process, you will never have rot. There is also no such thing as dry rot. People refer to alot of rot as dry rot because once they find it, it is dry. If it was rotten, it was wet at some point. Rot is caused by moisture,plain and simple.


Rot in boats is absolutely no different than wood rott in homes, trees, musical instruments etc.

How many times have you seen a nice pretty tree that is about to fall down because the base or core of the tree is rotten? Its because the base of a tree sits in moisture all the time. The rest of the tree will be just fine because it has air flow that does not allow the tree to be infested with fungi. Fungi needs over 20 percent moisture to sustain growth.

Here is another example, poles driven into the river for dock building will last 50 or 60 years in some cases. The only rot you will see in them is from where the water was allowed to protrude down into the tops of the poles making them useless in short time if not sealed properly. Other poles get damaged below the water line by debris and current contantly wearing them down.

If your confused about what seems like to contradictory statements above, fungi, atleast the rotting type that "eats" wood can not live under water. Fungi only wants moisture, it doesn't like to be submerged.

Different woods will defend against fungi, like bamboo, red wood, cedar ipa, teak etc etc. These woods are succeptable to- rot though, if kept wet for long periods of time just like any other wood.

Most boat manufactures just don't care about longevity, they care about sales and quotas and what material is cheap most times bought in bulk. This is also why you see poor conditions under decks in your boat when opened up, like drain lines that were never sealed off with epoxy to keep water intrusion out. Thats why you see alot of older boats rotten.

I believe the internet has caused manufacturers of today to be more diligent about there building practices, because people in general today are more informed about the poor practices that were done years ago. But some manufacturers will still built them cheap and sell new ones to those that really have no knowledge of the problem or just don't care because the cost of the boat is right and they want to go boating. The fact is, most people don't keep a boat for more than a few years, then its someone elses problem.

High end boats of todays era are expensive for many reasons, and the material they use is part of that equation, just like expensive or high quality homes will be more expensive than cheaper made ones, its economics, plain and simple.


Now back to the rot. Again, rot is caused by wood staying wet or atleast staying wet long enough that it becomes an attractive source of food for fungi. Fungi can not live without a water source. It will die without water. That being said, there are some that say that there are certain fungi that can create there own source of water/moisture, it has yet to be proven.

If you want to keep a boat from rotting, keep it dry! Saltwater or freshwater makes no difference. If water is allowed to soak into wood and stay wet, fungi will follow. Some fungi even feed off of salt!

Keeping a boat dry starts in the manufacturing stage. All wood has to be kept incapsulated as well as possible to not allow moisture to reach it. When boat manufactures have poor quality control and unprofessional laborers that don't seal every nook and cranny in the boat like drain holes ect, you are asking for rot to happen. I believe epoxy is better than polyester because its not as porous.

Everyone says that maintenance is key, This is true, but it is a simple fact that if you have an older boat that wasn't manufactured right, maintenance may prolong the inevitable, but exposed wood will eventually rott if water is allowed to continually get to it.

Other things to consider is, very few boats are made with any air flow. Remember, 20 percent and up moisture content will substain or attract fungi growth which rots/eats wood. Without air flow, a damp area is going to stay damp. Humidity is another thing to think about and different materials stay at different degrees which causes condensation. Without enough air flow, condensation alone can cause big problems.

The best solution I see is to use all composite materials for boat building in the future. And I mean trus composites, alot of composite, especially in the builing trades are a certain percentage of grinded up wood, trex for example. lots of law suits over that one.

To cap what I have said off, my 1990 boat I am sure probably has rot in it, air has water in it, boat has water around it and in it, not enough air flow below decks, had poorly sealed hatches, condinsation etc etc etc. I will use it until it is non-usable or the motor falls out. :eek:

Ohh, and I have seen just as many salt water boats rot as I have seen fresh water boats rot. Only difference is the self bailing decks save some from rotting as fast with less absorbing materials onboard to make them fancy like carpet. Offshore boats are in general made to higher specs mainly for sea conditions. But you can go to classic mako or any of the other well known brand classic sites and see that almost all of them have rot issues if they have wood in them.

Hope that helps. :)
 

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Very interesting discussion. I bought a 15 year old boat last fall and had it inspected by mechanic who among other things did a moisture test and told me it was fine. Based on my own "soft wood" check, I am pretty sure there are no major rot issues, but I noticed a few things that worry me about rot setting in.

First, with the snap on cabin cover in place, I notice that water will run down onto the deck edge. If the boat is not sitting level, for example in a graded driveway, then the water backs up on the cover and seeps down into the cabin, between the seat and hull, and into the bilge. With the plug out on dry land, the water drains no problem. Now that it's summer and I'm planning to put the boat the water, I did a test with the plug in: the run-off rain water after 1 week was about 1 quart in the bilge - not near enough to reach the bilge pump float if the boat was docked, but enough to increase the moisture level. I'm thinking a big bucket of damp-rid in the bilge may be my best defense.

The second thing is with the anchor compartment fore of the cabin, which I discovered was holding lots of water. I noticed it when I stripped the boat for storage and removed the anchor - the anchor line was completely soaked. The line is absorbing the rain water faster than it drains, and also the self-bailing holes are about 2 inches above the base of the compartment. At the back of the compartment, there is a glob of silicone caulk that looks like someone plugged up a drain line that ran back to the bilge. I don't know what to make of it except that maybe the prior owner decided it was better to have a moldy anchor line than a damp bilge.

All of this is a non issue when the boat is on the trailer with the plug out, and the anchor in storage. Over the entire winter it was completely dry as a bone. So my thought is that a 15 year old boat that's been stored in water will have damage/stringer rot, but one that has been trailered (or rack stored?) with the plug out should dry out quickly and be fine. Do the experts here agree or disagree?
 

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OK my boat is 27 years old and im officially paranoid.
 
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