All Fiberglass Boats Have Rotten Stringers After 15 Years?

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NYBo

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The stringers in my 24-year-old BAYLINER are original and solid. (So is the cockpit sole, except for the original part.:redface:)
 

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Is every screw hole on your boat sealed?

The 226 isn't an older Grady from a design and materials standpoint. Different hull design and different materials where used in its construction than your 1990. Not to mention a much different owner if your boat was as trashed as you say it was. ;)

I sold a 1986 204C that I bought new to buy the 226 in 2000. The 204 was surveyed and a moisture meter was taken to the hull, decks and transom when I sold it. The survey came back clean and was very complimentary on the condition of the boat.

The 226 is in just as good if not better condition than the 204C. Every hole that has been put in this boat was cored. Every fitting on the boat has been rebed in the past 3 years. All the hardware on this boat is still in like new condition. Every hose on the boat has been replaced. The deck hatches comes off on a bi-yearly basis for tank inspection. Every gasket on the boat has been replaced.

It's been gone over with a moisture meter twice since I?ve owned it. The first time was when I bought it and a second time two years ago during a coast guard inspection. At 15 years of age, this boat is in better than new condition.
 

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the stringers in my 24-year-old bayliner are original and solid. (so is the cockpit sole, except for the original part.:redface:)
lol :)
 

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Ok, something I know a little about. Dry wood will NEVER ROT, NEVER!!!!!!!! Just in case you didn't see it DRY WOOD WILL NEVER ROTT!

Like mentioned above, rot in wood is cause by a fungis, you have brown and white fungi. But the root cause to rot is the moisture to begin the process!! Without moisture to begin the process, you will never have rot. There is also no such thing as dry rot. People refer to alot of rot as dry rot because once they find it, it is dry. If it was rotten, it was wet at some point. Rot is caused by moisture,plain and simple.


Rot in boats is absolutely no different than wood rott in homes, trees, musical instruments etc.

How many times have you seen a nice pretty tree that is about to fall down because the base or core of the tree is rotten? Its because the base of a tree sits in moisture all the time. The rest of the tree will be just fine because it has air flow that does not allow the tree to be infested with fungi. Fungi needs over 20 percent moisture to sustain growth.

Here is another example, poles driven into the river for dock building will last 50 or 60 years in some cases. The only rot you will see in them is from where the water was allowed to protrude down into the tops of the poles making them useless in short time if not sealed properly. Other poles get damaged below the water line by debris and current contantly wearing them down.

If your confused about what seems like to contradictory statements above, fungi, atleast the rotting type that "eats" wood can not live under water. Fungi only wants moisture, it doesn't like to be submerged.

Different woods will defend against fungi, like bamboo, red wood, cedar ipa, teak etc etc. These woods are succeptable to- rot though, if kept wet for long periods of time just like any other wood.

Most boat manufactures just don't care about longevity, they care about sales and quotas and what material is cheap most times bought in bulk. This is also why you see poor conditions under decks in your boat when opened up, like drain lines that were never sealed off with epoxy to keep water intrusion out. Thats why you see alot of older boats rotten.

I believe the internet has caused manufacturers of today to be more diligent about there building practices, because people in general today are more informed about the poor practices that were done years ago. But some manufacturers will still built them cheap and sell new ones to those that really have no knowledge of the problem or just don't care because the cost of the boat is right and they want to go boating. The fact is, most people don't keep a boat for more than a few years, then its someone elses problem.

High end boats of todays era are expensive for many reasons, and the material they use is part of that equation, just like expensive or high quality homes will be more expensive than cheaper made ones, its economics, plain and simple.


Now back to the rot. Again, rot is caused by wood staying wet or atleast staying wet long enough that it becomes an attractive source of food for fungi. Fungi can not live without a water source. It will die without water. That being said, there are some that say that there are certain fungi that can create there own source of water/moisture, it has yet to be proven.

If you want to keep a boat from rotting, keep it dry! Saltwater or freshwater makes no difference. If water is allowed to soak into wood and stay wet, fungi will follow. Some fungi even feed off of salt!

Keeping a boat dry starts in the manufacturing stage. All wood has to be kept incapsulated as well as possible to not allow moisture to reach it. When boat manufactures have poor quality control and unprofessional laborers that don't seal every nook and cranny in the boat like drain holes ect, you are asking for rot to happen. I believe epoxy is better than polyester because its not as porous.

Everyone says that maintenance is key, This is true, but it is a simple fact that if you have an older boat that wasn't manufactured right, maintenance may prolong the inevitable, but exposed wood will eventually rott if water is allowed to continually get to it.

Other things to consider is, very few boats are made with any air flow. Remember, 20 percent and up moisture content will substain or attract fungi growth which rots/eats wood. Without air flow, a damp area is going to stay damp. Humidity is another thing to think about and different materials stay at different degrees which causes condensation. Without enough air flow, condensation alone can cause big problems.

The best solution I see is to use all composite materials for boat building in the future. And I mean trus composites, alot of composite, especially in the builing trades are a certain percentage of grinded up wood, trex for example. lots of law suits over that one.

To cap what I have said off, my 1990 boat I am sure probably has rot in it, air has water in it, boat has water around it and in it, not enough air flow below decks, had poorly sealed hatches, condinsation etc etc etc. I will use it until it is non-usable or the motor falls out. :eek:

Ohh, and I have seen just as many salt water boats rot as I have seen fresh water boats rot. Only difference is the self bailing decks save some from rotting as fast with less absorbing materials onboard to make them fancy like carpet. Offshore boats are in general made to higher specs mainly for sea conditions. But you can go to classic mako or any of the other well known brand classic sites and see that almost all of them have rot issues if they have wood in them.

Hope that helps. :)
Wood rot has been the theme for me the past couple of days :
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I am convinced that wood has to stay wet continuously for awhile to rot. As you can see from these pictures that some of the wood on this million dollar (1.243) to be exact, is totally gone while the rest is solid - it has no resin on it. The boat is a 1982 Wellcraft 248 fisherman. As you can see, most of the wood is gone; rotted out - but the rest is solid. Air has moisture in it, but just being exposed to air is not enough to waterlog, and cause rot; the wood wont wick up the moisture to saturation from the air.
Whether your boat is trailered or not is huge. I beleive that my boat was poorly done by the factory as far as the stringers, and deck goes, but it still had sound wood in it! They put the money in the teak trim, and hull. If your stringers are encapsulated - they wont rot. I know if I live to be a centurian, mine won't. I will encapsulate, the boat will be on a trailer covered - so I agree.
 

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The 226 isn't an older Grady from a design and materials standpoint. Different hull design and different materials where used in its construction than your 1990. Not to mention a much different owner if your boat was as trashed as you say it was. ;)

I sold a 1986 204C that I bought new to buy the 226 in 2000. The 204 was surveyed and a moisture meter was taken to the hull, decks and transom when I sold it. The survey came back clean and was very complimentary on the condition of the boat.

The 226 is in just as good if not better condition than the 204C. Every hole that has been put in this boat was cored. Every fitting on the boat has been rebed in the past 3 years. All the hardware on this boat is still in like new condition. Every hose on the boat has been replaced. The deck hatches comes off on a bi-yearly basis for tank inspection. Every gasket on the boat has been replaced.

It's been gone over with a moisture meter twice since I’ve owned it. The first time was when I bought it and a second time two years ago during a coast guard inspection. At 15 years of age, this boat is in better than new condition.

Dingbat, I still like calling you that,lol:D I believe every word you say, I believe when I am completely done mine will be better than new also. But a moisture meter for one shows very little. i have had boats that were surveyed as well that were given a green flag just to find out things lying underneath are soaked. Unless the boat has cores run through them from one end to another it is a crap shot.

Yes, maticulous care will divert some water intrusion. that being said, unless it is garage kept and only taken out on fair days without rain etc or heavy sea splash there is no guarantee that water can't find its way to the lower sections.

Grady has always built a pretty good boat but not top tear to say the least. just like my old Chris Craft, the building practices of the boats back then were sub par at best. I have no doubt that you take care of your boat as I do. But like OPPS said, there is no such thing as a water tight boat, well maybe the sub my brother was on,lol

For example, my boat right now is getting alot of things that weren't sealed, sealed now. The problem is, the damage has probably already been done. My bow pulpit, had wire holes that were underneath the pulpit, after removal I relized the water was just allowed to go into the anchor locker. screws in railings were not bed in anything. The previous owner had a fish finder on the dash and the wire holes were never sealed. That has caused the interior ceiling to seperate from the fiberglass shell.

All can be fixed and made better, but my point is there is always something that is overlooked by the manufactures and owners when it comes to water intrusion.

Do you know how many different laps there are out there where the cap overlaps the hull. This is one area that water can literally wick into the hull up hill when it rains. water follows gravity for the most part but not always.

I am in the process right now of making some not water tight light fixtures water tight. They will be in my thread in a few minutes. Just one example of where water can get in.

The reason I talk about this so much is alot of people think there boats are more water tight than they really are. The rail cap/rub rail area is a prime example of water that probably won't make it to the bilge area, it will be soaking foam in the gunwales and any wood that hasn't been sealed etc.

Last but not least, a moisture meter is very limited in what it can show. I use them all the time before laying hardwood. One area can be great and two feet away can be soaked.

Maybe I am mistaken, but wasn't the new hull design started in 1990 on the Gradys?
 

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Now thats why I installed honeycomb stringers!
The original stringers in my 44 year old boat were softer than sponge..
transom too.
Strange thing was, the deck itself was absolutly perfect.
anyway its all honeycomb in there now,Screw the rot!
 

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Maybe I am mistaken, but wasn't the new hull design started in 1990 on the Gradys?
The SV2 hull was put into place on the 226 in 1992. Grady started using no-rot materials and offering a lifetime warranty against rot in 1997.
 

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Since this is pertinant to the conversation I will post some pics later. My fault completely, well , part of it anyway, but here is one way water can enter a hull. My fishwells are in deck, they are molded fish wells. each one has a pump with airator installed in them and a drain that is attached to a macerator that pumps them out overboard via thruhull fitting when I need to empty them. .

I removed the pump in one of them with the intention on replacement of the pump. In doing so i got side tracked to other projects and just forgot about them until my spring cleaning and prep for splash. The first day I splashed I had a small list, not much but I noticed. Didn't understand why because I had pumped the water out of the bait wells. Little did I know there was 35 gallos of water under the fishwell in the hull.

My pump was running more often than it ever did. Well, to cut this story short, because I forgot to reinstall the base that was mounted at the bottom of the fishbox, the four small 3/16 inch holes managed to drain about 35 gallons of water into the hull.

Now, the area it dumped into under the deck is all sealed fiberglass and the water basically just sat there until the boat was in the water and it made its way back to the bilge area through a fitting that the macerator/drain hose runs through. Enough water for the pump to run but still had water dumping in there everytime it rained because the deck hatches have no seals to keep water out.

Small mistakes can dump water in a hull very quickly. The good news is it did dump it into an area that wasn't foam filled and didn't have any raw wood.
 

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People really leave the drain plugs in their boats? I have never seen anyone leave it in at the dock, almost everyone opens it up. Why would you not take the drain plug out?

Not to get off topic, but...

Actually out west, and I'm sure other areas as well, you are required to remove the plug (and drain live wells, etc...) when you pull your boat out of the water. This is to help control the spread of those darn quagga mussells. And they are checking...and you could be cited.

John
 

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My 1985 Galaxy had a rotten transom and deck but its stringers were in good shape. Now all of it's in good shape.
 

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Why do we have to glass in the stingers?
I plan to use 2" marine lumber for stringers and marine plywood as a deck.
I plan on constructing proper drainage paths for all water. The area below the floor will be well ventilated and there should be little rot for years. My boat is a 2003 Cutter 175xle 4.3 mercruiser. The floor and stringers are still under warranty but the owner of Grew got killed in a shoot up with the Police.

Any opinions would be appreciated.
 

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Why do we have to glass in the stingers?
I plan to use 2" marine lumber for stringers and marine plywood as a deck.
I plan on constructing proper drainage paths for all water. The area below the floor will be well ventilated and there should be little rot for years. My boat is a 2003 Cutter 175xle 4.3 mercruiser. The floor and stringers are still under warranty but the owner of Grew got killed in a shoot up with the Police.

Any opinions would be appreciated.
Please feel free to start your own thread instead of hijacking an old one. I will close this one. Welcome to iboats.
 
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