Aluminum Boat Rebuild Methods by 191Seanymphstriper

[191Seanymphstriper]

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191

I enjoyed reading your posts about your past and your relationship with your dad. Sounded very genuine.

Tommy

Thanks Tommy

 

[fshngho]

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ED, I have two questions if I may. You said you primer the hull then apply Gluvit? I thought gluvit was to be applied to bare aluminum. I know its not UV resistant and should be painted over. Is that what you do for protection? On the star board, I looked that up yesterday on the 'net' and like it. You said you use it on the transom so what do you do to make the 1 1/2" thickness? Do you bond it or just mechanically fasten it (screws). Star Board ain't cheap but I do like the idea of never doing the transom again. Thanks

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Hi FSH! For the transom i do both! The breaking point on starboard is rediculess stronger then wood and with 1inch etc forget about it. You bond it and also mechanical! I do the gluvit on the inside on the bare aluminum with a brush! On the outer as I stated for the 191 I will be doing that reduced and sprayed as a layer of protection like a clear coat sort a speak. Alot of reducer! It cant hurt anything and if it dosent hold up under speed its under the water line etc. But holding up i do not think there will be a prob with it holding up! You can put it on with a brush which is what we did to my friends 15 tinny.


I have a friend who has a 15 tinny and he painted it etc nice in 1999. He put it in the water and realized he had leaky rivets etc. So we gluvited the already painted bottom of the boat and the inner hull of the boat. That was 11 years ago and the bottom of his boat looks like he painted it yesterday to date! And it still to this day, does not leak a drop. So this is where i got this technic from! Its like a clear coat that seals water tight and that will last forever well almost we will see etc!

Ok I gotta go get some rest. I just installed a engine on a beach cruiser for my brother! He bet me I couldnt do it and I just did it in 4 hours!

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

Re: Aluminum Boat Rebuild Methods by 191Seanymphstriper

ED, I have two questions if I may. You said you primer the hull then apply Gluvit? I thought gluvit was to be applied to bare aluminum. I know its not UV resistant and should be painted over. Is that what you do for protection? On the star board, I looked that up yesterday on the 'net' and like it. You said you use it on the transom so what do you do to make the 1 1/2" thickness? Do you bond it or just mechanically fasten it (screws). Star Board ain't cheap but I do like the idea of never doing the transom again. Thanks

Yes i paint over it for protection and also for the growth and barnicles etc.... And yes I do both. Bond it with marine garde apoxy and mechanical as well. The transome will never have to be replaced and no worping or water logging etc!

 

[TommyD11730]

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Hi Tommy! Read thread number 24 on page 1. I had deleted it but I guess i really shouldnt have because new viewers would be confused etc....

Ok it makes some sense now.

BTW I was the fellow who send a e-mail reply to your boat at C-List most recently.

IMO at 8K asking price the boat had better be....

Sealed in a time capsule in better then mint condition! <That's about 2K more then the cost of my 88 Mariner 180 New!>

Or have some kinda new 4 Stroke hanging on the transom.

Tin boats are <again IMO> very low on the popularity scale here on the island. People seem to focus on the negative of these boats, and not the positive. Sounds a lot like life huh?

You have a interesting project going on. Being fairly close to you in East Islip perhaps one day I can shoot over and see some of your work first hand.

It's always nice to meet another tin head. Especially a local one.

Tommy

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Yea well believe it or not Tommy I have agotton alot of calls and offers etc. I have also sold quit a few aluminum boats here on Long Island and they sold fast. The highest off i have had on the 191 striper was $7600.... Tempting but no thanks LOL. They guy who offered that lives in riverhead and wanted to rebuild it and take it on the road with his camper. He was a older guy and was retired and travels alot by road. But I had some very good offers like 6800 5400 5700 4400 etc. Alot of calls believe it or not! So when I rebuild these boats with newer motors etc I know i will get some good responce! I had alot of emails and calls from people out of state as well. I had to take my phone number out of the listing because every other call was sum1 interested in the 191 striper! But im sure the 21 mariner will get the same response if not better when shes done being that she is bigger and will be as clean as a whistle! Also times have changed and its 2010 A 18 ft tinny aluminum cc new these days are 18K to 22K And I think the starcraft 21 mariner new is like 25 or 26K So if i am rebuilding these boats better then factory with no wood and cleaner then new with new motors and new trailers I will be asking high up there as well considering my response from my test craigslist ad and also if the motor is new or newer the price goes up as well.

Just think if they built these boats in 83 or 87 the way I build them the interior would prop just need a little touch up with ryno liner paint and that would be a easy fix. The floor would still be solid as can be and you would just need to presure wash it. The outer hull may be faded so maybe just some paint on the outer side hulls. The transom would be solid because it would have been built with star board No rotting worping etc.... So they would be fairly easy to get going again.


But the way they built them... They need work......

 

[TommyD11730]

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I really can't believe your getting that kind of response. Now I'm not saying your not telling the truth <as sometimes it's hard to tell what someone means on these sites > it just contradicts what I have seen.

By that I mean to say I have watched people post tin boats on CL. I generally watch them lower and lower the price till they decide to keep the hull.

No doubt there are not many <left> around here on L.I. . IMO they are just not that popular at all. Which works just fine for me as I like them just fine!

The price of Aluminum has sky rocketed since I bought my Mariner 180 for sure! That accounts for some of the raise in price no doubt.

Had the floor not gone south in my hull, I might still own it today. I was a nut with boat maintenance <I spin wrenches for a living> and even with flushing the bilge with f/water and baking soda I could see that was an area that needed attention. The application of Gulvit <though I have never used it> sounds like it may be a life saver for these hulls.

Tommy D

 

[HopeSheFloats]

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Just think if they built these boats in 83 or 87 the way I build them...

But the way they built them... They need work......

I don't think it's possible to build a boat that would handle the center of gravity with a head that swollen, or ego that obese.

I'll sure be glad when you stop dancing on your pedestal and start posting some 'during progress' pictures and text of your supposedly outstanding workmanship...respect is earned not garnered from self proclamation...sheesh, to read this one would think every boat manufacturer would be knocking down your door to hire you.

These posts reminds me of some of the far fetched listings on craigslist...Juuuust a little *TLC needed {*Total Lying Commitment}.

Just a little constructive criticism from my personal observations! Nothing personal

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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I don't think it's possible to build a boat that would handle the center of gravity with a head that swollen, or ego that obese.

I'll sure be glad when you stop dancing on your pedestal and start posting some 'during progress' pictures and text of your supposedly outstanding workmanship...respect is earned not garnered from self proclamation...sheesh, to read this one would think every boat manufacturer would be knocking down your door to hire you.

These posts reminds me of some of the far fetched listings on craigslist...Juuuust a little *TLC needed {*Total Lying Commitment}.

Just a little constructive criticism from my personal observations! Nothing personal

Tommy I see more and more tinnys when I go out on the water. Alot more then I have seen in 5 years! I go out of freeport on the southshore. Where do you boat? I think aluminum boats are making a come back. People are looking for a affordable clean nice looking cc that is easy to tow because alot of people traded in those big V8's for mid size V6 suv's etc....


And to Hope....Ok well first i would just like to say that I live in LONG ISLAND NEW YORK! One of the 5 most expencive places to live in the world! Look it up! So people here have money and spend it! Of course just like anywhere else some people have more then others and we are in a recesion. But I did get a great response. Why dont you post up your tinny in LONG ISLAND NEW YORK ON CL and see what kind of responce you get! And I hope its a cc because thats what people really like around these parts.


As far as far fetched storys I have posted 2 of my boats finished etc and I think they turned out great!


Also when i said if they built them the way I build them I mean without using wood. Its not that hard to understand that it stinks ripping a boat apart to change all the wood! Also they used paint on the inner hull and that stinks because down the road its all banged up from fishing etc. And bed liner. Made for people who work and throw stuff in the back of there pick ups etc and it holds up very well. Alot longer then any paint ever could, and comes with a lifetime warrenty! So I'm not to sure but a lifetime of a 80 year old seams long enough for me! And that is also better then what the manuf did in the 80's so I think I have some valid points here!


And I just don't know what it is with people trying to put me down knock me down and putting there 2cent neg comment posts up. Must be one of the 4 devils...

Because if you sit back and think about what im saying it makes perfectly good sence to not re-use wood in these boats. And if your going to repaint the inner hull just know that somwhere down the road the boat will need to be repainted and will look bad again and if leaks occur etc you are looking at bringing up that wood floor again etcs so she may need to come apart again. And if you use star board you would just pop out some flush stainless screws and make a repair then put it togeather. Wood rivits soggy wood it may fall aprt and you may need to recut more wood etc carpet glue etc.... Now i do a nice thick coat of gluvit then ryno liner and if the boat ever leaks after that somthing is majorly wrong. If the manuf built them the way I rebuild them people wouldnt be needing to make all these repairs. Prob just paint work trim work. And more money would be in our pockets for newer motors and or more trips out and more fish in the boat!


And if I where manufacturer of aluminum boats today. I would never build one with wood ever. ( well maybe some nice teak trim work or somthing. But deff not the flooring or transom.


And just because I don't rebuild them the traditional way dosent mean you should be so neg...


But thats your opinion so thanks for your input...


As far as respect. I really don't care about what people think of me on this forum. Its in my everyday life family friends etc that I care about.

I will be doing a tear down very soon. And I am new to these forums so I wish I would have documented my other rebuilds better but I diddnt. Mostly because I diddnt have anyone to show or inpress etc and still dont.

But what I do like is helping others by giving good sound advice and showing them how I rebuild my aluminum boats so they open up there options and can build a better longer lasting boat in the long run if they want to go this route!

So sry you think I have a swollen head! ,,,,,,


A tommy i caught 28 fluke today and only 1 24 inch keeper fluke today yippy.I threw it back I can't feed the family with just 1....... I cant wait till the water temp drops, And I caught a couple of cocktail blues NO STRIPERS If the water temp drops they will start feeding again.) Any luck with you?

 

[TommyD11730]

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When I owned my Starcraft I lived in Commack. Fished "the river" for Bass at night, and Smithtown Bay in the light for fluke.

Today I fish pretty much 1 place, Moriches inlet. Only at night, and only for bass. My Partner owns a older 15.5 McKee Craft. It's an amazing hull for it's age, and size. That said Moriches inlet is not for the timid, and one of the reasons we ONLY fish at night <almost no boat traffic>.

Ill be out there for the incoming tonight. We only had 9 keepers all last month <bass> as the bass seem to only be targeting spots. My partner and I like to cast and are NOT going to fish bait.

Blues are another story altogether. Big SOBs run up and down the inlet at any given tide/time. So while we had only a handful of keeper bass we did have action every night.

We you start busting up that Mariner for repair give me a holler, I would love to see one with the floor out of it. Heck being out of work since May <injury> it would be nice to get my hands dirty doing SOMETHING!

 

[HopeSheFloats]

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...And I just don't know what it is with people trying to put me down knock me down and putting there 2cent neg comment posts up. Must be one of the 4 devils...

There's an old saying for when your stumped..."Beats the devil out of me"

Step down off your high horse, and maybe you'll be able to look closely at what's been posted. Braggarts and know it all's are usually very lonely people. Some of the post's that you deem negative, are merely attempts at pointing out your shortcomings of conversing on the internet. You may know a few things about restoration, selling, and even the buying habits of America, but when you come off the way you do, as though all shall bow before thee...well, your bound to get called out.

Maybe you should re-read through a few threads from the more accomplished folks here, and pay attention to how they present themselves...none of us know it all{sorry, I imagine that hurt} we're here to share and learn from each other, not to see if we can be idolized.

Yeah, maybe I'm a little harsh, but then again maybe it's needed...you may be an all right guy, & you may have something to share that we can add to our bag of tricks, but the way things have been presented so far, it has me on the verge of using something I never thought I would here..and that's the 'ignore' button...

Dude, tone down the back slapping of yourself, post some actual work in progress instead of just hearsay, and who knows...You just might make some friends who could possibly teach you a thing or two, and/or appreciate something you've offered and slap you on the back 'when' deserved.

Sorry if this seems as though I'm trolling for a confrontation...quite the contrary...you seem intelligent, you have the gift of gab{and then some lol}, just take a breather and reflect a moment, on why do you think there's been a few postings similar to this...we're all a boating family here!

Before I shut up and move on... I have to ask...do you give lifetime warranties with your boat sales?

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Sounds good tommy! I will def give u a buzz so you can come see how the process is done! Did you catch anything last PM? Im up early today puting a new door in the house and then im going out fishing 5am. I had droped off my cusions on the 191 to get all new high density inpact foam and upolstery. I was going to do them myself but since my new next door nieghbor does this for a living I just had him do it for me. The seats came out great! Cant wait to install them back on today. It only took 1 day but yesterday fishing off of wood and no back rest kinda stunk! The seats where in really bad shape and the foam was so soft it was like sitting on wood. They were 23 years old after all!

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Well hope no lifetime warr.......

I will be giving a piece of mind to new owners knowing that the boat was rebuilt right. With a backround and pics of the rebuild (a documented rebuild)etc

And listen I never said I knew it all ever! Jealousy is a terrable thing hope.

As far as your ignore button im sure youll be my next bigest fan so please don't kid yourself.

Also hope these forums are great and im sure its like a big family. But these forums are for boats n info etc. Not for peoples attitudes or how they come off etc...

And I told you several times that I will be breaking her down soon. And also I found some pictures of the 16ft starcraft rebuild. There on another comp and I will get them up asap.

And hope. I am the type of guy that when he says somthing he does it. And I like to get jobs done quickly and efficeintly! So when i do rip the 21 mariner down it will be done quicky and effectivly. All photos process etc will be taken etc and I will post it.


And hope I can talk the talk because I walk the walk! Thanks for showing me how much you care!

I don't go around and posting inapropriate comments on people threads its just not me. I have more class.....


And from here on in if someone does post B.S on my thread I will not even entertain a response anymore. Its just not worth my time. I will just sit back and read it and laugh about it with my wife and friends while im out on my boat fishing or selling boats!


Hope u have a great day! LOL

 

[TommyD11730]

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Did you catch anything last PM?

Just woke up, did not put the boat back on the trailer till 6:30am. Then I drive from Wade River back to Islip.

Water conditions were VERY cloudy, even as it neared high tide I feel for the guys going out for the last day of fluke.

1 Fat bass in the boat of 33"s, blues were out as I got bit clean off. Ever wonder how a blue takes an entire lure... 7"s worth in one shot and all you feel for a 2nd is "dink".

All this talking about tin cans has me looking again. With more Beam on the Sea Nymph vs the Mariner I think I might give that a shot.

Great weather out there... it was in the 50's last night, and it actually felt like fall run weather!

Tommy

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Wow sounds great Tommy! we got to get togeather and hit those stripers!

If you are interested in the starcraft cc P.M me and we can make a deal if you want it rebuilt A.S.A.P I can make that happen etc..... And you can come by and hekp with the build if you would like! So if your interested, Im just saying...

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Ok guys Had some trouble with the 90 hp 3 cyl merc mariner today. She wasnt idling so I checked all the new wires, plugs , coils etc,,,, Everything seamed fine. So I took the carbs apart and rebuilt the carbs. They were all in all very clean, the top cyl carb was a little dirty so I was hoping this was the issue. Put her back togeather and same thing. I was getting really fustraited because now I had, New filter, new fuel lines new carbs basically, new plugs, new coils, new wires, Etc... Well I put the boat in reverse and gave her some gas at the dock.. While under load I checked the spark by removing the wire from the coil. I found that the middle cyl was sparking less then the other. So what does the middle cyl also control on a 3 cyl merc? The fuel pump! I took the fuel pump out and apart and found a tiny hole in the first diafram then another in the second diafram. I changed the diafram and BAMMM..... When I installed the fuel pump she idled and pured like a kitten... I spent $ $25 each carb rebuilding $32 a coil 3 of then $44 on new wires, $30 New Plugs. I spent $245 Changing and fixing her up so she will run like new and be reliable! A $3.25 cent diafram brought her down. Amazing.......... And hard to pinpoint the issue. Well Now i know and every season i will be replacing my diafram like i change the plugs and lower unit oil the diafram will be getting changed after every season.... So if you do have a carberated mechanical pump. May be a good idea to change them. Well at least now i know what I got. Evrything is changed and new so i will feel much better going offshore monday! Better this happened today then while being offshore

I rebuilt the carbs on the kitchen table. Wify was a little mad at me!

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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****************UPDATE********************

Ok I found some old pictures of that 16ft starcraft bowryder conversion to center console rebuild i did a couple years back. I still havent found any finished product pictures yet still searching!

I was doing a mockup etc

I had cut some wood for the floor and put the steering and control and key in the new todd console and was just figuring things out setup etc...


I had ripped the floor up and got carpeting etc... It was then when i decided to do STAR BOARD instead of the wood and carpet!

But even though I cut the wood already it was good because it was a clean trace to follow on the new starboard.... I will be searching for more pics and hopfully show you guys the rest of the rebuild and finished product!

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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[191Seanymphstriper]

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Here are some pictures of the new seats my nieghbor redid for me on the 191

I went higher with high density inpact foam 4 inches on the bench seat and 3 inches on the front console seat! I went with white with blue trim!


I cant wait to rebuild her this winter!

 

[191Seanymphstriper]

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Here is a update. My brother has had some serious electryolisis issues with his 18 starcraft CC...

So he is the type that dosent care about rebuilding aluminum boats etc. He just kinda uses them as is and fix's things here and there that may need attention etc......


So I gave the 21 CC starcraft to my brother. He will be putting a 15 H.P merc on his 18 CC starcraft. We will be using it upstate (as is) on a fresh water lake in liberty N.Y where our family cabin is.. Before you eve catch me on it I will be putting gluvit on the bottom just incase!


My brother is going to come pick up the 21 CC this weekend and over the winter he will pull the old vynl up off the wood floor with a heat gun and tourch, he hasnt decided on a new material to put down on the floor but he will be putting down a new material.


He will be putting his Big outboard off his old 18cc onto the 21 CC. He will be adding 2 large zincs directly on the transom of the 21 CC and thats about it.


He wants to use it as is..... Its just his style and how he is!


So I will no longer be re-building the 21 CC


I am actaully happy about this! I was able to give me brother a nice early x mass gift and......................

I was wanting to find a 26 islander I/O to convert to a 26 cc with twin outboards bracketed off the transom

Now i will be doing it!


So I will be first be rebuilding the 191 in the beginning of the winter..

During the winter months hopefully I can find a really cheap good deal on a 26 islander to rip apart and rebuild.

After the 191 is completly rebuilt and finished... I will then start that other project! So I am very happy about this!

I kinda had mixed feelings about rebuilding that 21 anyway!