amsoil synthetic oil

phatmanmike

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Originally posted by Chief 101:<br /> Mikie...you don't need to run snake oil thru a Chrysler outboard motor to make 'em run longer...there are plenty of 30+ year olds in that brand around today...don't try to get cute, it don't work...just a thought :)
sorry, shouldnt have added chryslers to that list... but i was serious, not cute...if you had todays oils in a mid 80's force. do you think it would help sustain life?
 

Terry H

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Mike...if you had and sense of the history of Chrysler Marine you would have only the utmost respect for them...by the way Force was never made be Chrysler. I'm not even gonna knock them because I never had one, not even to work on. I think when you add up the extra dollars you spend on expensive oils, you will be spending way more money than I will have spent repairing my motors from oil related problems(being as I have never spend a dime repairing oil related problems on any of my outboards). The newest running outboard I own is 19 years old, and the oldest runner is almost 60. Tell me how using expensive oil is gonna make these motors run longer...just a thought :)
 

Forktail

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LubeDude, all anyone has to do is go to your homepage where 50 paragraphs of Amsoil brainwashing pops up. Most of it talking down other brands of oils using argument to justify their product. You even try to recruit other salesman through a pyramid scheme before you talk about the oil itself. The sales pitch is ridiculous. Reading all that hogwash makes me want to puke. And the fact you've got it linked here at iboats, which is obviously free advertising for you, is distasteful. <br /><br />As someone said, you'll find proclaimed oil experts here. And if you want to know how great Amsoil is, well....just ask an Amsoil salesman. Right?<br /><br />IMO, there are much better sources for outboard oil information than LubeDude, written by educated people in the engine manufacturing business and the petroleum industry. And any oil company that recommends an oil ratio contrary to what the manufacturer recommends ought to have their head examined.
 

BillP

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Originally posted by kpl:<br /> Has anyone tried the amsoil synthetic 2 cycle oil.
kpl,<br /><br />I tried it in my air cooled lawn equipment and it performed just like any other 100% synthetic I've used. <br /><br />I don't use it in any of my outboards because...Amsoil is not officially TCW certified by the NMMA. Which means it doesn't meet the minumum specifications as stated in most outboard mfg operator handbooks.
 

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I have noticed something about oils that I maybe should start a new topic about, but it fits here so I'll add it. I have heard MANY say that Wally Worl cheap oil is TCW3 certified. I would like to challenge that statement. I am not a lawyer by any means, but do try to watch for how a product is represented on the label. I have read the Wally world oil container many times looking for where it claims to be TCW3 certified and it is NOT on there! It does claim to MEET TCW3 certification STANDARDS but does not claim to be certified. I know it does have the NMMA emblem on the bottle, but I believe they could buy permission to use that a lot cheaper than actually paying to get certified. I have seen that the slightly more expensive oils like Caastrol and others say CERTIFIED TCW3. I am not saying that there is anything wrong at all with the cheap Wally Worl oil, but I have seen it claimed on this board that it is certified and I can't find anything that supports this. I also strongly agree with Chief 101 that oil related problems are almost non existant as long as enough oil is used. I just feel that for about 2 dollars a gallon more I would like to KNOW that the oil I use is certified and not just claimed to be equal. Thats all for now...I am bracing for impact!! :D
 

BillP

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Originally posted by Tim Frey:<br /> I have noticed something about oils that I maybe should start a new topic about, but it fits here so I'll add it. I have heard MANY say that Wally Worl cheap oil is TCW3 certified. I would like to challenge that statement. I am not a lawyer by any means, but do try to watch for how a product is represented on the label. I have read the Wally world oil container many times looking for where it claims to be TCW3 certified and it is NOT on there! It does claim to MEET TCW3 certification STANDARDS but does not claim to be certified. I know it does have the NMMA emblem on the bottle, but I believe they could buy permission to use that a lot cheaper than actually paying to get certified. I have seen that the slightly more expensive oils like Caastrol and others say CERTIFIED TCW3. I am not saying that there is anything wrong at all with the cheap Wally Worl oil, but I have seen it claimed on this board that it is certified and I can't find anything that supports this. I also strongly agree with Chief 101 that oil related problems are almost non existant as long as enough oil is used. I just feel that for about 2 dollars a gallon more I would like to KNOW that the oil I use is certified and not just claimed to be equal. Thats all for now...I am bracing for impact!! :D
Tim,<br />They can't buy the use of the NMMA logo. If it is on the container the product is supposed to be certified...that comes from an email I received from the NMMA. <br /><br />Wallyworld oil shows a 2004 certification on the<br />NMMA web site. http://www.nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/registeredoil.asp?bhcp=1
 

timbo1963

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Well, that settles that! Not the first time I have been wrong and probably not the last :) I guess I can save a couple of bucks a gallon now...naaa
 

ZmOz

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This is ridiculous. Amsoil is a VERY good oil. The only reason you're bashing it is because you don't like lubedude. If you don't want to listen to him tell you it's good, listen to me. I don't sell it, and I'm just as qualified to talk about oil as LD. It's one of the best. Not just from a wear standpoint, but you also have to think about the fact that you will have considerably less smoke, less carbon buildup, slightly better gas mileage, and slightly more WOT RPMs. I won't say it is THE best oil; however, it IS better than ANY dino oil you can buy, and it's also better than discount synthetics such as Pennzoil. The ONLY reason not to use it is because it cost too much. Next year I'll be getting a boat with an inboard V8, and since it will use alot less oil, I will be using Amsoil in the crankcase.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by Forktail:<br /> LubeDude, all anyone has to do is go to your homepage where 50 paragraphs of Amsoil brainwashing pops up. Most of it talking down other brands of oils using argument to justify their product. You even try to recruit other salesman through a pyramid scheme before you talk about the oil itself. The sales pitch is ridiculous. Reading all that hogwash makes me want to puke. And the fact you've got it linked here at iboats, which is obviously free advertising for you, is distasteful. <br /><br />
He, He, He, He, He. :D <br /><br />How many times do I have to say, that I got that web site when I signed up?? Believe me it would be different if i had actually designed it.<br /><br />I have it there so if people are interested in checking out the products, they can go there and do it.<br /><br />I have sold 0000000 oil from this site, nor do I care.<br /><br />As to Amsoils marketing plan, (IT SUCKS). But do I really care, NO, I am just a dealer because I personally like the product, and I can get it wholesale. Were it posable, I would be a Klotz dealer, but it isnt.<br /><br />Youre killing me Forktail, "Recomending an oil be run outside of manufactures recomendation" Sorry, Like I said, this oil is "FORMULATED" To run that way, I wouldnt ask anyone to run a regular oil at 100:1, Im not near as stupid as you think I am.<br /><br />You are just showing people how Bias you really are, Repeating yourself, and dodging past Posts that show you are just trying to intentionally cause trouble.<br /><br />I have continually told people to run a TC-W3 oil and they will have NO problems and your engine will out live most of us, and I mean it, but if you want BETTER all around performance, as many here have descovered, then use a full synthetic oil.<br /><br />Do you really need to???? ABSOLUTLY NOT, but it is better, Very, Very few who try it actually go back to using regular oil again.<br /><br />I use a couple other products also that I would have to be nuts to mention here, I would be laughed off the board.<br /><br />So, Forktail, share some more of your infinate wisdom with us :p
 

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Oh, I wanted to comment on the Wally World oil.<br /><br />There seems to be two different outboard Supertech oils, I noticed what Tim Frey posted too, the white bottle says to use where TC-W3 oils are recomended just like the Amsoil says, the blue bottle is TC-W3 certified, HHHMMMM I wonder also. The NMMA site shows two different ones also, one certified and one not, anyway last time I looked. But there is a recertification program going on now though, so you really cant say if an oil is or isnt certified, Most that arnt, are just awaiting there certification.
 

red10

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lube, amsoil is an excellant oil, we use it in 3 outboards and 3 sleds, we don't notice much difference in smoke in the sleds but the boats it makes a big difference, i support your opinions 100% on amsoil. My dad is a diesel mechanic and all his friends use it so it must say something, never had a problem in any of the engines. One of the sleds has 7,000 miles on it and seen amsoil all its life.
 

Forktail

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So, Forktail, share some more of your infinate wisdom with us
Ok.<br /><br /><br />
How many times do I have to say, that I got that web site when I signed up??
Yep. But you linked it here at iboats as free advertising. :eek: <br /><br />You didn't have to do that. Instead you could've linked pictures of your boat or a good fishing story or whatever. So I stand by my observation that it is distasteful.<br /><br /><br />
Believe me it would be different if i had actually designed it.
No one forces you to post that particular Amsoil sales gimmick. Certainly no one forces you to put it one click away here at iboats. :rolleyes: <br /><br /><br />
As to Amsoils marketing plan, (IT SUCKS). But do I really care, NO...Were it posable, I would be a Klotz dealer
Well, that's confusing. You think Amsoil's marketing plan "sucks", but have that "sucky" information linked right here so people can inform themselves. And you repeat, sometimes almost word for word, much of their "sucky" marketing. :confused: <br /><br />You say you don't care, yet get all bent out of shape if someone agrees with you that it "sucks". <br /><br />To top it off, you'd rather sell Klotz, yet in past posts (which I can reference) you say "Amsoil is the best". <br /><br /><br />
have sold 0000000 oil from this site, nor do I care.
Right. :D <br /><br /><br />
I have it there so if people are interested in checking out the products, they can go there and do it.
Exactly. Too bad your home page isn't just informational. It's a sales site! :eek: <br /><br />If all of what you say about not caring is true, and you want members here to check out products, then you would've linked information and products from other oil companies at your site as well. But nope....just the one you sell.<br /><br /><br />
Like I said, this oil is "FORMULATED" To run that way
I don't care how Amsoil says their oil is "FORMULATED". If the manufacture of the outboard doesn't recommend running 100:1, then you don't do it. The folks who made the engine know what oil ratio to run in it, not some oil marketer.<br /><br /> <br />
I wouldnt ask anyone to run a regular oil at 100:1...
So what do you call this?....<br /><br />By LubeDude - "but if you premix, you can use the HP Injector at 50:1, or the Saber at 100:1."<br /><br /><br />
You are just showing people how Bias you really are, Repeating yourself, and dodging past Posts that show you are just trying to intentionally cause trouble.
:D LMAO :D . If my opinions are biased then so be it. I have that right. But at least I don't link a sales site in my homepage to that bias, trying to sell it, like you.<br /><br />If there is a past post that you feel I'm "dodging" or "causing trouble" with, please reference it so we can clear it up for you. Otherwise quit your antics. And don't make me dig up all the crap and misinformation that you've posted here.<br /><br /><br />No one here is bashing Amsoil. What brand of oil people use is strictly personal preference. However, I do get tired of biting my tongue at some of the misinformation and bad advice you give. After all, you are the "LubeDude", with a mystique of being such a great source of oil information. IMO, you don't know much about oils at all, and fly by the seat of your pants, learning as you go. But what do I know....I'm just a retired automotive and petroleum engineer.<br /><br />If members want to take your advice and run a non-certified TCW-3 oil at 100:1, then that's their prerogative.
 

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:D :D :D Lololololololololololololololololololololololol! :D :D :D
 

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This is back to the same old personality war and personal insults.<br /><br />Has ZERO to do with the topic that KPL started.<br /><br />Maybe if you guys met and duked it out we could leave topics on oil directed to the thread starter's question instead of this silly ego contest.
 
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