Another sad news for UAW workers

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Another sad news for UAW workers

Not true....
However you must pay prevailing wage to non union personnel on publicly funded projects......

I was worried you'd find a way ta spank me where I would have ta find a law or something ta cite, (you are very good at debate: Bro Haut). Don't want ta take the time to read the RCW or WAC, (and you may be right it may not be manditory but THAT IS HOW IT IS ALWAYS DONE HERE), so I wished I had picked another word, (as usual with debating you: Bro). That said: please cite any significant public project performed in this State over the last fifty years by a non union contractor. Ya can't Bro. JR

 

[Bondo]

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Ayuh,..... Too True actually............

Paying Prevailing Wages, with the required "Bennies" package,.......
Contractors can Easily bid,+ Build projects WAY Cheaper than a Union Jobsite........Period........

The Men in the Boots(Me) all get a Nice Fat Paycheck,.....
And the Contractors usually get a Big Bonus for a job Done, On or Under both Schedule,+ Budget.........

 

[Haut Medoc]

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please cite any significant public project performed in this State over the last fifty years by a non union contractor. Ya can't Bro. JR
Why use scabs when you have more qualified people to do the job?
Just to save a few bucks?......
The contracts are awarded to the lowest, qualified bidder......

 

[technostingray]

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please cite any significant public project performed in this State over the last fifty years by a non union contractor. Ya can't Bro. JR

The contracts are awarded to the lowest, qualified bidder......

Yeah, and the taxpayer got there moneys worth on those 6,000 dollar ash trays. :^

 

[Haut Medoc]

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please cite any significant public project performed in this State over the last fifty years by a non union contractor. Ya can't Bro. JR

The contracts are awarded to the lowest, qualified bidder......[/quote

Yeah, and the taxpayer got there moneys worth on those 6,000 dollar ash trays. :^

C'mon Ray....
How do you think all of the 'black' projects get funded...
I don't mean this in a racist way, btw.....

 

[tommays]

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If you want some fun take an airplane to Kalamazoo Michigan and go the paper mill to fix a machine that none of the 17 trades has a clue about


Then wait for the plumber, electric, machinist, mechanic, forklift driver, forklift mechanic and rigger around 11 am on a good day everybody shows up and work can start on the 1 hour job


Tommays

 

[gonefishie]

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C'mon Ray....
How do you think all of the 'black' projects get funded...
I don't mean this in a racist way, btw.

8)8)Yeah but at least "black projects" produced super duper military equipment. I felt my money is well worth it, the SR-71, F-117 both came straight from such projects.

 

[Reinellchris]

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Mr. haut
just because a man works union doe's not give him more talent than a non union worker
ironworkers union in canada is a safe haven for pooch pounders i've worked both.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Gonefishie....Exactly my point!

Reinellchris....
So have I....
In fact, I was A union contractor.....
Not anymore....
Sorry, if I offended.....:$
& that is one of the biggest problems with labor unions....
It is hard to cut the, 'dead wood'......
But I do think my union appenticeship gave me a solid base to learn my 'craft'.........
I will always be appreciative for that, & the fact that I was able to earn a decent wage & have health benefits while i was doing it...........JK

 

[Reinellchris]

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guess i was lucky to do my apprenticeship in non union
i never had the oppurtunity to spend a year running a grinder.don't get me wrong unions have their place they have just lost site of the common goal.company makes money so do the workers.i now work non union as a foreman on afternoons and our wages/benefits are better than most union shops here.

 

[Bondo]

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guess i was lucky to do my apprenticeship in non union
i never had the oppurtunity to spend a year running a grinder.

d d Ayuh,........ Exactly,.........d d

 

[mscher]

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Unions contribute to corporate bloat for sure, but they are certainly not the only problem. Corporate buffoonery has a lot to do with lowered profits also.

For instance, the Ford Taurus was one of the most popular and profitable cars Ford ever made. So what did they do? Shut down the line and closed the plant.

Pure genius. No wonder Toyota is eating their lunch.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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"But will Americans ever build a vehicle as good the Japanese?"

The question should read, "But will the Americans ever build an American vehicle as good as Americans build Japanese vehicles?"

Well,sure they will. Just as soon as the American vehicle is designed as well as the Japanese vehicle.

The question is will Americans ever build a car from parts that are the same quality as the ones the Jap cars are made from?

Until someone starts buying my replacement parts for me I won't buy an American vehicle. I don't make enough to throw money away on junk. I have a 1997 Nissan pickup, and with the exception of an EGR valve sticking due to not being used for a while, that truck has never been worked on. It runs as good as the day it was made. My uncle owns a 1994 Nissan Sentra he drives to work in at the John C Stennis space center. It has 340,000 miles on it and it purs like a kitten.

Why buy American? They're junk compared to the jap cars.

 

[rmmpe]

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"Why buy American? They're junk compared to the jap cars."

Ah, a statement of convenience.
We're all American until it comes time to pay the tag for doing so.

American manufacturers keep the profits here (for the most part). Foreign-owned companies ship our dollars to their country.

In my mind, simple as that.

And, I'll keep buying American!

 

[PW2]

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Every time I hear some manager say they have a union problem, invariably it can be traced back to a management problem.

 

[gonefishie]

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American manufacturers keep the profits here (for the most part). Foreign-owned companies ship our dollars to their country.

Come on...time to wake up! Yes, it's true that American manufacturers keep the profit in the country, but do you get any of that profit? Unless you have stock and stuff that you would benefit from. I'm speaking from a working man point of view, who just make enough to cover my cost of living and only can dreams of owning stocks. Foreign manufacturers take the profit home but they do provide job for American who directly benefit from the selling of foreign vehicle. Beside, stocks are sold worldwide, who to says that there's not someone oversea owning a bunch of Ford stocks and reap the profit. Who's there to says that there's not someone in America owning a bunch of Toyota stocks. There is nothing patriotic about buying American these day. There are more thing you can do to be patriotic but buying American cars is not one of them.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Perhaps a Chevy or a Ford soon to be manufactured and imported from China, will change the perception that US manufacturers profits are fully reinvested in America and their respective employees.

 

[mscher]

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American manufacturers keep the profits here (for the most part). Foreign-owned companies ship our dollars to their country.

A statement of convenience also.

Foreign car makers are publicly traded corporations, same as Ford and GM (oh, Chrysler too). Anyone can share in their successes or failures, just like with the big 2.

Their profits presumably go back into enhancing product R&D, plant upgrades (US plants, too) and stock share prices. Just like "American" corporations, whatever that is anymore.

 

[Bondo]

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In fact, I was A union contractor.....
Not anymore....
That is one of the biggest problems with labor unions....
It is hard to cut the, 'dead wood'......
But I do think my union appenticeship gave me a solid base to learn my 'craft'.........
I will always be appreciative for that, & the fact that I was able to earn a decent wage & have health benefits while i was doing it...........JK

Just Curious,...... Just What is your Trade,..??...

And,.... With the statement above,......

How was it that You finially figured out that the Unions were Screwing both You,+ your Customers,..??....

Knowing That,....... How can you advocate the Union Workers are Smarter(a lie of course),....
And that Union Workers are More Productive(another fallacy),......

Following this line of thinking,.....
Are you hiring the Union Educated, Smarter Workers(roll eyes),+ then paying them Only the Prevailing Wage,....
Rather than their Union Wages, along with the Union Fees associated with having Union Employees,..??......

Just Curious...........................

 

[Reinellchris]

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would rather push my chevy than drive an import