anyone else suspect problems from useing marine stabil?

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Re: anyone else suspect problems from useing marine stabil?

Ethanol hocus pocus...

There are a couple of things that are not rumours: The first is that the alchohol is an excellent solvent and it will clean your tank, fuel lines and carbs. This is why 99.999% of the fuel additives have a high percentage of alcohol in them. In the process, if you are not using the appropriate fuel filter systems it may clog your carbs. Otherwise the worse case scenario is that it will clog filters with the gunk it cleans out of the tank until the tank is clean.

Another is that it does tend to speed up the accumulation of water and that is not a good thing. Normally that water sits at the bottom of your tank and most tanks have some amount of water in them just from humidity and the need to vent. When you add ethanol it will pickup that water and carry it with it to the engine if you have not installed an appropriate fuel/water separating filter.

Small engines like leaf blowers, weed whackers, chain saws should not use Ethanol gas. This is correct but the reason is that they cannot be reasonably fitted with adequate fuel/water separating filter systems. Most of them don't have any type of fuel filter at all.

Fuel lines can be damaged by Ethanol if they were manufactured before circa 1992 or are not USCG approved. This was not stringetly enforced because there was still an abundance of the older materials in the system and they were allowed to be installed until the supply was exhausted. The same goes for fuel tanks. Fuel tanks today are made from materials like Aluminum or HDPE and are Ethanol safe. Farm supply centers are starting to sell ethanol free fuels in small (gal) quanties to satisfy that need.

Ethanol burns faster and hotter than gasoline.. True but the formulation is such that the octane rating of the fuel remains as posted so it doesn't make one bit of difference.

So what does Startron and Stabil Marine do? Got me but they seem to work well at keeping water absorbtion at bay and do seem to have some effect at extending the life of the fuel.
 

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I'd have to go to another state, its the law in GA that ALL the gas have 10% ethanol.

I researched the ethanol law in Ga. and the only one I found is below. According to what I found Ga. is required to post that fuel contains ethanol if it is over one and 1/2%, not so in Missouri and 5 other states who are not required to post notices that fuel contains ethanol. I suspect your problem in not finding fuel without ethanol is because it costs the distributor less and there are some tax credits involved. Your laws may have recently changed but the last I cound find on the internet is below:

Laws and Regulations
Ethanol Blending Regulation
Gasoline suppliers who provide fuel to distributors in the state must offer gasoline that is suitable for blending with fuel alcohol. Suppliers may not prevent or inhibit a gasoline distributor from being a blender or from qualifying for any federal or state tax credit offered to blenders. (Reference Georgia Code 10-1-234.1)
 

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Re: anyone else suspect problems from useing marine stabil?

I challenge you to find ANY ethanol-free gasoline on Md, that isn't race gas.
Additives are a MUST here, no alternative.

I'd have to go to another state, its the law in GA that ALL the gas have 10% ethanol.

Same here in MI. I haven't seen ethanol-free gasonline in quite some time around here. Likely over 10 yrs. I use marine stabil, but I only use about half the dose as I do run my boat at least once a week. I haven't noticed any difference, but it is a bit of 'insurance' if you want to call it that. I also run 87 Octane, its what the motor calls for so anything else is rendered useless.
 

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Sen. Lisa Marrache's bill would require gasoline retailers to offer a premium grade gasoline. I don't know where that bill is now but you might want to check on it. I got this information at http://updates.mainetoday.com/updates/non-ethanol-gas-legislation-considered
Not sure how that would help, as she is in Maine.

Additives are REQUIRED for most of us. ;) Believe me, if I could use non-ethanol, I certainly would.
 

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I stand partially corrected, GA is not a mandatory 10% ethanol state, BUT the govenor did sign a law several years ago that ALLOWS 10% ethanol in ALL gasoline sold in GA and in the process of researching that, I found that GA, NC, SC and TN(all SE states), gasoline distributors are up in arrms, because they are not getting the option to buy gasoline without ethanol in it. WOW, do a search ethanol in gasoline, what an eye opener. Did you know that there is a push by the ethanol lobby to allow 15% ethanol in gasoline!
You can go to www.pure-gas.org and check for station in your state that carry ethanol free gas and in what octane. I may have to get mine at the airport!
 
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Re: anyone else suspect problems from useing marine stabil?

I stand partially corrected, GA is not a mandatory 10% ethanol state, BUT the govenor did sign a law several years ago that ALLOWS 10% ethanol in ALL gasoline sold in GA and in the process of researching that, I found that GA, NC, SC and TN(all SE states), gasoline distributors are up in arrms, because they are not getting the option to buy gasoline without ethanol in it. WOW, do a search ethanol in gasoline, what an eye opener. Did you know that there is a push by the ethanol lobby to allow 15% ethanol in gasoline!
You can go to www.pure-gas.org and check for station in your state that carry ethanol free gas and in what octane. I may have to get mine at the airport!

Thanks for posting that, while the stations listed in MD are far away, there is one in Delta PA. which is about 15 minutes fro my house. I am going to ride by there tomorrow to verify.
Thanks again!
 

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They only list about 30 stations in the whole state of GA that carry "pure" gas and the closest one to me is 20 miles in the wrong direction. It would be nice if at least one national brand carried ethanol free gas at all its stations.
 

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Not sure how that would help, as she is in Maine.

Additives are REQUIRED for most of us. ;) Believe me, if I could use non-ethanol, I certainly would.

Sorry,
You are right, I misread your state, however as I searched for a mandatory ethanol law in Maryland, I find that it does not have one or at least one that I can find on the internet except one that pertains to state vehicles and engines that are made for alternatives fuels. This means that Maryland distributors could offer fuel without ethanol but probably don't wish to do so because of tax credits and the fact that ethanol is less expensive (at the present time) than gasoline. You might want to take a look at this site. http://www.e0pc.com/MD.php
 

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oops
 
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Sorry,
You are right, I misread your state, however as I searched for a mandatory ethanol law in Maryland, I find that it does not have one or at least one that I can find on the internet except one that pertains to state vehicles and engines that are made for alternatives fuels. This means that Maryland distributors could offer fuel without ethanol but probably don't wish to do so because of tax credits and the fact that ethanol is less expensive (at the present time) than gasoline. You might want to take a look at this site. http://www.e0pc.com/MD.php

Despite that, I still can't buy it locally, so I must use an additive.
 
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