As a complete outsider .......

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Haut said:
Uh, Flyrod....
It is well known that Ronald Raygun supplied the gas to Saddy.....:$........JK

Oh really? I guess it is also well known that we supplied Joseph Stalin with tanks, jeeps and planes. I guess supporting one of the world's most horrible dictators in the history of mankind makes the United States of America a very VERY bad country eh?
 

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"if maybe this ill planned war had ben started with an invasion/security force level above 350,000 troops it may have turned out a bit different."

I guess I am confused on troop levels that we have. I thought the military was "stretched" thin. That we couldn't fight somewhere else in the world if we had to. If that is indeed the case, where are the other 200,000 troops going to come from?
 

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Now who is the mind reader?.....
You can read whatever you want into my statment & draw whatever conclusions you like......
My statement is a direct rebuttal of whether Saddy had WMD in the 80's....
He did ....Cuz Ronald Raygun gave them to him.....
That is a fact....:$
Oh, BTW though very destructive, tanks, planes & jeeps are not really considered WMD...;)
 

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Now who is the mind reader?.....
You can read whatever you want into my statment & draw whatever conclusions you like......
My statement is a direct rebuttal of whether Saddy had WMD in the 80's....
He did ....Cuz Ronald Raygun gave them to him.....
That is a fact....:$
Oh, BTW though very destructive, tanks, planes & jeeps are not really considered WMD...;)[/quote]
Hey Bro Haut, Where did you get the information that RR supplied poison gas? I know we gave Sadam satelite pics of Iran's military positions. Why is my statement mind reading? It was meant as a provocative, (maybe a little smart a... as well) question to prompt a response: as I got. Sometime we have to pick sides: (Hitler or J Stalin), (Iraq or Iran et al). I figured you would get my snotty reply, as you are usually a few chess moves ahead of me. Respectfully JR
 

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Google.....
Ronald Reagan Saddam Hussein Poison Gas
All at one time.....
There is a gazillion links.......
Guess who the hatchet man was?
RUMMY! :$
 

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Haut said:
Google.....
Ronald Reagan Saddam Hussein Poison Gas
All at one time.....
There is a gazillion links.......
Guess who the hatchet man was?
RUMMY! :$

I know there are a lot of nuts that rank on Google that say all sorts of things, (especially about Reagan and Rummy, or anything truly anti-American). I also had heard that, but need to find out if it is fact or Liberal myth. Could you please direct me to one credible news source? Thanks JR
 

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I believe that Cindy Sheehan should be the moderator of this post. 8) 8)
 

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Sorry, there are pages & pages.....
Since I am not a mind reader, I couldn't possibly be so presumptious as to know what would meet your criteria as a "credible news source"......
Poor Ronnie, if he were alive, probably wouldn't remember anyway....
I'll bet Rummy does though......
I doubt whether he will be offering up a signed confession though.....
That's why they keep that kind of stuff sealed , by the time it gets out everyone involved is dead & the living don't really care ......
I mean who cares if J. Edgar Hoover liked women's undies?......;)
 

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Are U sure that he liked women's undies, I heard he was into the liking the same sex. 8)
 

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Liking boys while wearing women's undies?
Now that is kinky!....:^:$:%
 

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Hey guys, let's try to keep this civil. Remember, Andrew was asking a question, not trying to get you guys to start flaming each other!
 

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[quote time=1168565638 user=Haut Medoc uid=44666 fid=20 tid= rid=27]Sorry, there are pages & pages.....
Since I am not a mind reader, I couldn't possibly be so presumptious as to know what would meet your criteria as a "credible news source"......
Poor Ronnie, if he were alive, probably wouldn't remember anyway....
I'll bet Rummy does though......
I doubt whether he will be offering up a signed confession though.....
That's why they keep that kind of stuff sealed , by the time it gets out everyone involved is dead & the living don't really care ......
I mean who cares if J. Edgar Hoover liked women's undies?......;)
[/quote]

Bro Haut, I did read a little Google stuff on the subject. Nowhere did I find that "RR gave Iraq poison gas". Isn't that what you said? There were a lot of shrill Libs talking about helicopters and a meeting where Rummy went to Bagdad. We did not want Iran to run over Iraq and down into Arabia, (for a good reason, [wouldn't you say Haut])? You may be reading the Liberals that are reading minds or adding up 2 + 2 and finding it equals 5. Even though The NYT is biased I consider it credible. So please back up what you say. JR
 

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What we haven't covered here enough is the effect of this war on veterans. Since I graduated high school just after the Vietnam war and they were cutting back, I didn't end up joining. So about all I can do is use my mind reading powers. ;)

Problem is there aren't all that many yet. They keep getting called back. Even some of those that already paid the ultimate price got letters to report for duty. There are toops going back for their third and fourth tours as we speak. A lot of recent vets have been serving from the get-go. They are called Reservists. These are soldiers that completed their military stints and signed on in the Reserves. Typically they mind the homefront so the active duty enlisted troops can go and do the fighting overseas. They usually train a few weekends each month and help out when natural disasters strike.

That's kinda why Hurricane Katrina was so devastating and why so many died AFTER the hurricane was over. There was nobody left here to help out, and those in charge seemed to have better things to do at the time. The Reservists were over in Iraq supplying the fighting forces along with most of their equipment.

With a lot of our youngsters seeing the Reservists going off to war on what seems like an endless rotation, fewer and fewer are liking the idea of joining the armed forces in the first place. So to make-up for the decline, the criteria people need to meet to join were drastically lowered. But even that isn't doing enough to help recruiters keep up with the demand. So I guess we'll have to wait awhile to answer that part. Becoming a veteran of this war is mostly on hold for now.

In all reality, this is an unpopular war for the most part, and that certainly has to weigh heavily on those that are called to fight it. Vietnam turned out to be more than unpopular. We also lost. And that made it even harder for those brave souls that fought that war because we kinda took it out on them when they came home. But hopefully we've learned our lesson from that war and treat this generation better than we treated that generation. The animosity seems well pinpointed at the top of the heap this time around because none of them went over there that time around, and the men and women on the ground have a great deal of support and appreciation from most all of us here back at home. Godspeed to one and all.
 

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oldmercs
google a bit of the IG reports to congress and the CIA reports to congress the google the library of congress and look up Chemical sales and chemical license to sell .
the chemicals were supplied by 17 US companies and Processed by a UK plant in Iraq.
if ya cant or wont accept fact we cant help ya.
the CIA not only provided weather data and data on best use of areial dispersion but we blanked the Irainian radar for 3 days during the iraq/iran conflict.
why you may ask?
cause none of these chemical warfare agents had ever been ACTUALLY used before.
we gave saddam the chemicals,processed them, gave data on best dispersal bust altidude and sat back and took notes while thousands died.
and ya wonder why they hate the US?.
you have no clue do you ?
its all in the history books, just not the spoon fed books. doesnt matter but it is fact.
wanna dispute them ????
 

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Hey guys, let's try to keep this civil. Remember, Andrew was asking a question, not trying to get you guys to start flaming each other!

You are right. That said: I think Andrew will learn about the discourse here in the States by following along. We are relatively civil here aren't we? Respectfully JR
 

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Fly said:
Hey rodbolt, if you are talking about the gasing of the Kurds in the 80's, then I would say that they weren't his people, Sadam was a sunni. 2nd, how could he have gased 60,000 kurds women and children when it is known by the far left liberals, that he did not have any weapons of mass destruction.

You seem to be thinking of "gas" as the kind you get from a "gas station" where you can fill your tank on Monday and 4 days later, fill your tank again...they had "gas" last week, last month, last year, and still have "gas". From your perspective, a never-ending supply. But then, you could bring a ditch witch over, dig up the tanks, and find the "gas".

But it was a different kind of "gas" used on the Kurds. Use it once, it's gone. Look and look and look all you want, it's nowhere to be found.

Guess it depends on what the definition of the word "had" is.

Oh, and by the way, plenty of republicans, even some conservative ones, acknowleging the truth. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
 

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Rodbolt states:

oldmercs
google a bit of the IG reports to congress and the CIA reports to congress the google the library of congress and look up Chemical sales and chemical license to sell .
the chemicals were supplied by 17 US companies and Processed by a UK plant in Iraq.
if ya cant or wont accept fact we cant help ya.
the CIA not only provided weather data and data on best use of areial dispersion but we blanked the Irainian radar for 3 days during the iraq/iran conflict.
why you may ask?
cause none of these chemical warfare agents had ever been ACTUALLY used before.
we gave saddam the chemicals,processed them, gave data on best dispersal bust altidude and sat back and took notes while thousands died.
and ya wonder why they hate the US?.
you have no clue do you ?
its all in the history books, just not the spoon fed books. doesnt matter but it is fact.
wanna dispute them ????

Rodbolt, Too much work. If it happened It should be a fairly clean easy thing to prove. I don't want to spend what little time I have to play on this site reasearching such negative things. Besides, we may both read something and come away with very different reads. Do you think the USA is a benign world power, or are we the worst the world has ever seen? Or is our country terrible just when Repubs are President? This last post of yours is very negative. Respectfully JR
 

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Andrew im sure that you have noticed that at times we or not on the same page as for politics go. Let something like nine eleven happen and all of a sudden we are family again.
 

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treedancer said:
Andrew im sure that you have noticed that at times we or not on the same page as for politics go. Let something like nine eleven happen and all of a sudden we are family again.

I'll take the arguing and bickering for a lifetime over a another 9-11 to stop us from it. It's to bad that it has to be something so tragic to bring us together.:'(
 
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