Asian auto maker coming this way?

[Wimperdink]

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Just stopped by the kia dealership today. The new sportage that had so many problems in the past with their 4x4, raised their drive train warranty to 20 years 200k miles. Yes I'll admit kia's are a cheap disposable car, but, if they are willing to cover the drive train up to 200k miles or 20 years... that otta build the resale on them a bit, not to mention make them smell better to the financially challenged. Marketing gimmick be dam.ned lets see any of the big 3 match that.<br /><br />Also still one of the least expensive suv's on the market here in the U.S.A.

 

[Kalian]

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Wimperdink, the devils in the details. I bet that waranty doesn't cover labor, or has some other clause that makes it not worth more than the paper it's written on. Have you had a chance to thoroughly read it?

 

[pjc]

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meaning is that those who are claiming copyright or so forth infringement should bear the cost of the claim of violation.<br /><br />Do not petition the US Gov to create a law, that ALL will ultimately pay for, to protect a private companies proprietary property rights. <br /><br />I did believe that Q22 would understand that? Q22, Microsoft has the means to enforce its proprietary software copy right protections via legal measures. I assert that Microsoft should bear the financial burden of enforcing that protection, rather than the consumer as a whole paying for that function through legislation, ie: law.

 

[Wimperdink]

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> Wimperdink, the devils in the details. I bet that waranty doesn't cover labor, or has some other clause that makes it not worth more than the paper it's written on. Have you had a chance to thoroughly read it?

no sir your right I did not read the details though I asked the most trustworthy individual I could find... a car salesman. His response was that anything outside of the engine itself ie belts, alternators, etc would only be covered for the initial 6 year 60,000 miles waranty. The engine itself and trans were warrantied against failure. Now i'm very sure there's some extra stuff written in there about the requirement of maintenance being done at an authorized service center and the like to make that warranty stick but, still thats a long time to waranty an engine or tranny.

 

[QC]

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pjc,<br /><br />Are you assuming that there is a court to take this to? I guess that is what I am missing. Who are these private companies gonna get to take up the case? American courts? Then what, we send them a bill? I'm not sure how an American Company can get any restitution from anyone or anything in China.<br /><br />I definitely don't want to ask gov't to help if we don't have to. I just don't know how else we can make anything stick.<br /><br />SlowlySinking,<br /><br />I don't think buying decisions are entirely made by warranty. You're assuming that these same car manufacturers don't know what the cost implications are and that they haven't studied the American consumer. They know what percent of market they can buy with warranty. These decisions are not as simple as he who has the longest warranty sells the most cars.

 

[PW2]

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First of all, I never even suggested that health care was the issue, let alone some sort of "magic bullet". You all seem to want simple answers to complex questions, and they rarely, if ever, exist.<br /><br />We are in a global economy, for good or ill. It is not going to change. We should try to manage it as best we can.

 

[QC]

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PW,<br /><br />Come on, you at least suggested some sort of connection to health care. I'm not sure what the connection is, but you brought it up. I think you should explain how a national health-care system makes somebody more competitive. That makes no sense to me. I am not looking for an argument. I am looking to understand your position. I know it's hard to imagine, but I could be wrong <br /><br />I do believe that most of these issues are simple at their core. Just need to get there . . . It has been proven many times that private businesses control cost better than gov't. So, with that said, how does national health-care make anybody more competitive?

 

[theriver]

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QC22-If you were Honda for example, and you were going to open a new plant in the Great Lakes region (which is about to be announced BTW). You have two options: 1) open the plant in the US, pay wages, pension, benefits and healthcare costs, or 2) Open the plant in Canada, pay wages, pension, benefits. (Healthcare is covered 100% by the government of Canada for every citizen by way of taxation generation).<br /><br />Its not so much that it makes you more competitive as it makes it more lucrative for business to conduct business. <br /><br />GM is financially crippled in the US because of its huge workforce healthcare costs. ($6 Billion/year) Would they be better off with more plants in Canada? You bet. It can avoid thousands/car in US healthcare expenses by having them built there.<br /><br />Perhaps then GM could invest some money into design and engineering so they can climb out of the hole they've dug them selves into by being "uncompetitive".

 

[BassMan283]

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Originally posted by Wimperdink:<br /> Just curious did everyone miss the part about the domestic factory workers making upwards of 65 bucks an hour? I'd go downhill in a quick hurry having to pay an employee $65 an hour.

Well, dink, $65 an hour comes out to about $130,000 a year. I don't think any of the assembly plant workers are quite making that just yet.<br /><br />About $38 to $40 of that is attributable to "benefit package", which includes such things as health, pension, social security, unemployment, workmans comp, overtime amortized over a 40 hour work week, safety equipment, training, parking lot maintenance, and other stuff I can't think of right now. This is not to say that the base wage of about $26 an hour isn't pretty good, but $65 sounds a lot better.<br /><br />I work for the World's Leading Automotive Interior Supplier. At my plant, we pay our production workers about $13 an hour but say that our labor cost is about $40 an hour. It's just an accounting trick. There are a lot of fixed costs that get amortized against a 40 hour work week rather than against sales when they are actually independent of hours worked.

 

[pjc]

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I sure do LOVE these threads *****ing about what an hourly worker is paid.<br /><br />I DO hope that ya simps are working for about $8 or so then that allows ya to post, as well as comment.<br /><br />From what I have read for several months or better, folks *****ing about hourly wages are very jealous. <br /><br />Leads me to believe that many members here work for under $10 an hour. <br /><br />If ya don't, what are you sniviling about. And if ya doo, organize a Labor Union folks!

 

[pjc]

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