ATTENTION: All you liberals...

timothyl

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To bring this back to some degree of sanity ;) , unfortunatly the welfare program goes beyond major handouts (many not needed or deserved). I teach in a community where the federal free and reduced lunch program is recieved by nearly a third of our students and most is sorely needed. Gone are the days where students can bring lunches. No place to keep, warm, etc... Besides, if parents won't make kids do homework, why would they make em lunch? It's not the kids fault, they are kind of stuck in the middle and need help. (scares me to have a "liberal" thought)<br /><br />I personally think that government is like a fire. You need it for so many things but sooner or later, some idjut is going to think, "hey, if it works this well like this, why don't we make it bigger?". Before you know it, its consuming everything you have. I guess it goes hand in hand with the idea of Capitalism and the search for a bigger an better mousetrap.<br /><br />Skinny, I definatly see your point on the sevententh amendment. However, after doing quite a bit of research, the 17th amendment was added because the state run "good ol boy" network had become so corrupt, little was being done for the good of the nation. I guess the pendalum has now swung in the other direction.<br /><br />Plywoody made the following post:
There does not seem to be any question that some form of health care is necessary--and the question is what form it will take, as opposed to whether or not we will have it.<br /><br />
This seems to me that perhaps it is engineered by both sides to keep us (taxpayers) focused on WHAT we are going to get, NOT whether or not we need it.<br /><br />I was brought up with the Harry S. Truman idea that government assistance was to be a hand up, not a hand out, but you did't take the hand because you should be just too d#$m proud. Let some other poor sap take it if it's needed.<br /><br />By the way, #5 is my personal favorite.
 

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One handed clapping.......hmmm.........on a boat website? :p <br /><br />Must be the stimulating conversation.<br /><br />SCO, you devil you! :D :D :D
 

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Thanks tlands, that was a very level post.<br /><br />I think I'd be in favor to just about anything that keeps the kids from being damaged.<br /><br />With that and your reference to Truman, there seems to be a lot of us on the same page. ;)
 

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i'm still learning, so kudos to all involved. yeah, i'm behind, i understand that. when i see another topic that involves politics, skinny & the infamous plyWOODy, i can't help but feel i'm hearing rushing water in my ears, blanking out all other sounds... not meant in a bad way, just cautious footing ahead :p
 

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SCO- See what I mean, you jump from unwed mothers to the "Muslim threat" an "911" in the same breath.<br />I rest my case.
 

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Just trying to understand the basis for your charge toad, grasping at straws to understand what you mean. Instead of resting your case why not just explain what paranoia you are talking about? In my prior post and again in this one, I'm asking you why you say that.
 

Toad2001

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The administrator did a good job deleting my earlier post-not sure why, because it wasn't inflamatory in my opinion.<br /><br />I suggested it was ignorant and perhaps paranoid of you to beleive that unwed mothers are or some how could breed an army of children who will grow up killing each other and perhaps you. How stereotypical.
 

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That's all I wanted Toad. I can respond to that. In fact, unwed mothers do raise boys without a father to teach how to behave as only a father can. These boys grow up in environments where they are not expected to grow up to be men with the responsibilities to be men, because, they have no ultimate function and societal role. The government takes that roll in this scenario, by penalyzing the unwed mother financially if she takes a husband and rewarding her financially if she doesn't. These boys have a self image problem, an inferiority complex, and take it out with aggression. If you think this isn't true, then why don't you drive on into Compton, Ca. this weekend and camp out. Alternatively, you might hold a BBQ at Cabrini Green. Recommended movie watching: Colors, Boyz in the Hood, 8 mile.
 

Toad2001

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Again, how stereotypical of you. There are how many million Americans, and you cite a few neighborhoods and a few movie titles?<br />By the way, who is to say these mothers were unwed to start with. Maybe they were divorcee's. Theres a better chance of that...You are saying single mothers can't raise a well adjusted child. Or worse still, that child might just shoot someone or perhaps even you. Absurd!
 

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I'm not saying a single mother can't raise a well adjusted child. We are talking about the the "complications" of well intended handouts and why they go wrong. You can find Compton like neighborhoods and disaffected youth without father figures in every city in the USA. If you don't think that is related to Johnsons Welfare, thats ok with me. I think it is related, and that the the great society vision was a big factor in the the beginning of the breakup of the family unit here in the US. If you don't think you can get shot by one of these kids, then switch your nighttime jogging route through your local housing project. DIvorcees? ok, put 200 of them in a rundown building raising their boys with little supervision and care and you will get the same problem.
 

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It's been fun Toad, and if you want , I'll hash this out with you till the cows come home, but, we're kinda turning this into the SCO and Toad show. I'll come back to this thread later and see if it's still kicking.
 

Toad2001

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I fold.<br />Thanks!<br />Take Care.
 

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SCO, if you'd lighten up on the drag a little bit you could have posted all the way to Admiral. :p <br /><br />Toad, hope you stick around for a while. <br />Can't say we'll have you thinking like an American, but in a year or so we may have you thinking like a California/New York democrat. ;)
 

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I'll second that Skinny, stick around toad. That one hand clapping thing, we feel that pain too. Maybe one day we'll see from the same perspective. And by the way, I recognize that a fold is not a concession... just so you know I'm not gloating.
 

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Very funny Skinny :D
 
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