Boat show season approaching

Navy Jr.

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For those of you who have actually bought, or are thinking of buying, a new boat...

Are boat shows good places to get smart deals? If so, what kind of tips would you give to novices like me who are looking to buy their first powerboat? I love a good deal if it can be had.

On the flip side, what sort of traps should one avoid at a boat show? For example, are compromises sometimes made to package components (like maybe the trailer) to make it look like a good deal when it really isn't?

I'm looking to get a 17-18' aluminum fishing/ski boat with walk-thru windshield and open bow (Alumacraft, Crestliner, Lund class) to trailer around. Something along the lines of a Trophy 1750 or Fisherman 1750. With thanks to this forum, numerous Internet sites, salespeople at local boat stores, and a brother-in-law who owns a bass boat, I've got a pretty good idea of what I'm looking for.

Will be attending the Minneapolis Boat Show this upcoming January.
 

Pursuit2150

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Re: Boat show season approaching

GO to many various Boat sites. Just go to "yahoo" & enter the boat type ur interested in & look around .

Thats how I found my Parker 18'
Keep shearching you will get a lot of info & knowlege
 

SgtMaj

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Boat shows are a great way to see what's out there, or to sell a boat. But if you're looking to buy a boat, unless you're looking to buy a new boat, you will pay more than what they are worth. Good deals can still be had on new boats though, and you may prefer buying a new boat. If not, just lurk around the boat restoration forum, and you'll begin to prefer buying a new boat. :D

Trust me, the price difference between a used boat and a new boat, isn't enough to cover the back surgury you'll require after breaking your back trying to fix everything that's wrong with the used boat. :D
 

Navy Jr.

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Trust me, the price difference between a used boat and a new boat, isn't enough to cover the back surgury you'll require after breaking your back trying to fix everything that's wrong with the used boat. :D

Yes, I am considering buying new, not used. I already have a trick back at my age. And yes, I understand the effects of depreciation. That's why it would be nice to get a deal to help offset the depreciation sting a little.

I figure I've got maybe 10 years of good enough health left to enjoy the boat before I start having my own serious maintenance issues, then will hand the boat down to my son (if he wants it, that is).
 

SgtMaj

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Re: Boat show season approaching

You should be able to haggle out a good deal then. :)
 

Silvertip

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Re: Boat show season approaching

I too will be visiting the MPLS boat show as I've done every time I've purchased a new boat (again this year). I can also assure you that you are making a big mistake if you go to a show with the intent of buying a boat but have not done detailed research on the models you like and have narrowed that list to no more than 2 or three very specific models. If you go in blind I guarantee you'll kick yourself later because you didn't know exactly what you wanted, what was standard, what the cost of options are, etc. Question one -- "Is the price a water-ready price?". If not, you have batteries and get ready charges to consider for example. Yes, there are great deals at the boat shows -- but options, especially the worthless ones, run the price up quickly. Life jackets, skis, tubes, tow ropes, bumpers, and all that stuff are often thown in as part of a "free gift". Free my foot. You can buy all that stuff for half the price at any discount store. Besides, that stuff gets rolled into the boat loan so you pay for it two or three times if you finance. Go for the discount on the boat. Know what an engine of your choice costs. Know what the boat cost is. It isn't rocket science to do some math to come up with a figure that is less than, equal to, or greater than the show price. But if you haven't done the research you have no idea what costs are and you will pay dearly. With a depressed economy in certain markets, I think there will be some great buys to be had this year, especially on last years inventory. My research indicates that's a fact and I intend to take advantage of it.
 

Expidia

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Re: Boat show season approaching

I would only use a boat show to see one in person and to narrow down your choices to 2 or 3 models you could live with.

Then I would watch Craigslist each day towards the spring and be willing to drive an hour or two from your home to go see one of those choices, that looked good to you from the show. I wouldn't even talk to anyone at the show because these are salesman that make a living selling you on a great deal.

If you have to drive some miles from your house give them a refundable deposit on Paypal before you drive out though otherwise you might drive out there and they already sold the boat to the first person who saw it.

Most good rigs at a fair price will never see a second buyer!

Buy used if you can, 2 or 3 years later you're sure to trade up to another rig once you get some experience with what you really want in a boat. Most of these models that you will be looking at are pretty much all the same when comparing quality build names against each other. Much like Ford, Buick Chevy's etc there are some of us that are willing to pay up a little for the Honda's and the Toyota's.

I know you've asked before why Lund's are more money than say an Alumacraft. To me personally, it's like comparing a Chevy to a Toyota (Honda, BMW etc). Both are similar cars, but the Toyota, Honda's Beamer's simply have a proven history of a better repair records and a better build quality. Doesn't mean Chevy doesn't make a nice car now a days but there is a reason American car companies have lost something like 50% or greater of their market share to Japanese cars over the years.
More value for your money with the foreign cars in my opinion.

So save your money from taking a big hit on depreciation by buying from the shows or a dealer if you can. You will never keep your first boat 10 years anyway. I'm on my 6 one over the past 30 years and looking to move up again.

Grab one off Craigslist or your local paper and save big bucks. With oil prices has high as they are used boats are taking big hits.

Just type into google as an example: craigslist Trophy 1750 . . . and be ready with a cash deposit and drive out to see one that sounds good. They will disappear like hotcakes though after May/June etc.

Once you get past the Spring though used boats will be very hard to find. I tried for months and finally gave up and went with a new one because by that time I knew exactly what I wanted. But I visited and got a work up from several out of my area Lund dealers. Then I came back to my Local Lund dealer and was able to arrive at a fair deal with them. Any local dealer will warranty the brand they sell if you buy a boat somewhere else and the boat has a warranty left. The boat or motor company pays the dealer to do the repair.

I normally don't get suckered into buying extended warranties but I just boat the 40 hp Merc extended warranty which extends the 3 years to a (transferable) 6 years from Merc for $357. If you buy a few year old rig you can still add an extended warranty in most cases. What do you think "one" repair is going to cost on a $5400 outboard?

Good luck with your search . . . I went through the same thing in the months up through last Mar as you're going through and finally bought new but at a good price. Be aware that you probably won't see an ordered boat for 12 weeks plus. Mine finally came in June! But I had bought another boat in an end of season deal the year before so I had another boat to use. Then they told me that everyone orders boats at the boat shows in March. If I ordered it in Feb it would have come in 2 weeks.

The other boat which I bought in 06 was a new 13 foot Sylvan Alaskan Deluxe which sold on Craigslist in 3 days, for more than I paid for it :)

I know I'll take a hit now on selling my 2007 boat because I was forced to buy it new, but I also know a 30k when new boat, buying it 2 or 3 years old is going to take an even bigger hit for the person selling it, so I'll make it up on that end and be in the exact boat I want now.

What do you think possible and probable continuation of a oil per barrel at current levels of $97 and maybe seeing $5 a gal at the marinas this season are going to do to boat prices. But talk to a dealer at the show or their dealership and they will always give you a story on why boat prices are going up and you better buy right now :D

If you get stuck buying new, I personally did not allow them to work up a deal including accessories . . . Your best deal is going to be a bare bones one, they make all their margins on accessories just like cars and you can't compare apples to apples from place to place. Boat, motor and trailer that's it that's all. Buy the boat with the features it comes with and buy the accessories (as another poster has already said separately) best online with free shipping and no taxes in some cases and always for a lot less than a dealer. Also, Walmart has a lot of the basic stuff like lines, anchors, covers etc and name brands . . . cheap.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Boat show season approaching

I think that you can sometimes get deals on new boats at boat shows but I would only shop there if I had done a lot of homework beforehand. I would go to a bunch of dealers for the boats I had in mind, look at them, get a listing of all the gear that they come with and ask for the "final" sales price. Go to the boat show afterwards and be prepared to go on more than one day. Check out the show boats closely and obtain a complete list of included gear. Once you think you have a good handle on what is offered compared to the boats that you have already priced, go back to the show and start negotiating. Buying a boat is like buying anything alse ... the more prepared you are, the better the deal you will make.
 

Boatist

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Re: Boat show season approaching

I agree with most here Know the prices before you go to the show. If your a first time boat buyer I would suggest buying a little bigger than you think you want right now. Almost every persons second boat is bigger than there first.

Also know what options you want. There is a big markup in Options. Dont buy something you do not think you need because the sales guy says it will bring a higher resale price.

I bought my boat at the San Francisco boat show in 1980. The biggest savings back then was the manfactures paid shipping charges for boat ordered at the boat show.

The advantage of the boat show is you get exactly what you want not what someone else thought they wanted 5 years ago and are now selling it.

An example I found the boat I wanted at the show but did not like the trailer they had it on. So I went around the corner to the trailer manufacture and told him what I wanted. Showed him the boat and ask if it made since.
I wanted a roller trailer for an Aluminum Crestliner, and I wanted a longer toung than standar. Also I wanted double the normal number of rollers for better hull support for my aluminum boat. Also since the boat is light 2800 pounds I did not want the springs for a 5000 pound boat. EZ Loader dealer Said he could do it and adjust to the boat for $280 extra.

Last we had talk to our local saving and load before going to the show about a Loan. Then while at the show we stopped by a very large bank booth and he gave us an even better deal. I still have the 1980 Crestliner boat and love it.
 

erikgreen

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Re: Boat show season approaching

I'll be going to the mpls boat show again this year... mostly for fun, maybe to buy some accessories if I see a really good price.

It's worth it to go just to check out what's new, and to see the really expensive 50 foot boats that I'd never buy even if I had the cash, and to see the really cool boats like that lake invader aluminum landing craft from last year.

But frankly I don't like the looks of any boat designed in the last 5 years in fiberglass... they just look too half-melted. Steel or aluminum's a different story. And I'd never buy a new boat for the same reason I wouldn't buy a new car. Depreciation means as soon as you put it in the water the first time, a big chunk of its value is gone.

Plus even if I bought new, it wouldn't be just the way I wanted it. I'd have to customize even a new boat to get it up to my standards. Give me an older boat any day that's been well maintained.

Anyway, boat shows give me something to do when the water around here is too stiff and covered in snow to get on plane :)

Erik
 

Imback31

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Remeber that dealers pay thousands to be at a boat show and they need to make that money back, this is overhead they do not have at their shop. Most deals at a boat show are on the outboards and they are funded by the outboard builders.

Best to go to the boat show, find what you want, go to the dealer 2 weeks later and deal then.
 

Navy Jr.

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Best to go to the boat show, find what you want, go to the dealer 2 weeks later and deal then.

You know, I was wondering about that very thing!

Thanks for the tips, everyone. Yes, I have a spreadsheet listing all the things I want broken down by boat, motor, trailer and "accessories." The list of accessories also includes where to go for the best selection and possibly the best price (typically Cabela's and Wal-Mart).

Regarding buying new versus used, well, that's just a matter of preference for me. I buy new cars, maintain them well (keep all maintenance records in 3-ring binders), drive them for 10+ years, then sell them myself. Never have a problem selling when I pull out the maintenance records and a copy of the new car brochure I hung onto when initially buying the car.

Here's the deal. I live in Minnesota, so maintenance, especially winterizing, is critical. Late last summer I called about three used boats and none of the owners could prove their motors were winterized, or that even the oil was changed. In one case, the owner had to sell his boat after losing his job months before and still not able to find a new one. Is he going to spend any money on boat maintenance? I'll let someone else be the buyer.

The other thing is I'm looking forward to building a relationship with a dealer I can trust and count on to answer all of my questions. I suppose I could buy a used boat from a dealer, but the boat I want is very popular and late model ones are rarely traded in.

I posed my original question simply because I love a good deal, that's all. After all, this is a boat we're talking about, a luxury I certainly don't need and could easily live without. If I have to worry and lose sleep about how much it's all going to cost, then I shouldn't even be considering the idea.

Instead, my wife and I are looking forward to spending some quality time with one or both of our golden retrievers as we trailer to various lakes in the region. Of course, that will be AFTER I complete the USCG boat safety and skill classes coming up in the next few months.

Thanks again, and all the best.
 

lovlakes

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Re: Boat show season approaching

More than one dealer in our area has said that any price at the boat show will be matched (or improved on) afterwards.

The boat show is an easy way to get a look at many manufacturers/styles and options...but not IMHO a good way to get an unusually good price.

We started our search last year at the boat show and didn't buy until after end of season and got a great deal on a 2007 left over...which was on our top 3 list at the boat show.

Good luck and have fun!
 

Solittle

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Re: Boat show season approaching

A couple of thoughts - -

Hit the boat show on the first day and if you find your dream - go back on the last day and be prepared to deal. Exhibitors tend to be most willing to "deal" then so they don't have to drag the "show" boat home or will want to head home with a book full of orders.

Speaking of "show" boats - At many of the major shows manufacturers will exhibit their boats. These boats receive extra special treatment and care in their manufacture. They are of the best quality that the manufacturer has to offer. Years back I worked at a major boat builder (Bertram) and their "show" boats were the best of the best.
 

Navy Jr.

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Re: Boat show season approaching

One other thing I meant to ask...

In my visits and conversations with dealers, and in reviewing various dealer websites, it seems like the only trailers available in package deals are those with rollers. I'd prefer a bunk trailer with guides. Two dealers acted like I was crazy and wouldn't hear anything of it. What gives? Why the big push by dealers for rollers?
 

Solittle

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If you sell Chevys you don't push Fords.
 

woodchip

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Four years ago I was ready to buy my first boat.After months of nothing suitable in the used market for what I wanted I started researching new.I did the boat show and the local Crestliner dealer managed to turn me off.Then I priced out a Lund at another dealer.They would only configure it their way and it finished up at $32000.Over my budget.
Two weeks later I went to a dealer That had given up his Lund dealership to sell Alumicrafts instead.He had old stock that he wanted to sell.I saved on getting the motor I wanted,but lost on upgrades to the trailer(that I wanted).But in the end it was still $5000 less than at the boat show.The boat is two years older but still brand new.And if I keep it long term the rapid depreciation doesn,t really matter.
I had researched the boats alot before I bought.I'm very happy with my boat.It does have some weak areas for me but it satisfies the things I had I had decided were most important.Make sure you buy what suits you,not what suits the dealer.
 

jarata

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Relationship with a dealer whats that most of them want your money and then your on your own.Try bringing it back for service do you think you are going to get a deal come on ,
 

m&m252

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Re: Boat show season approaching

talk to dealer of boat you like to get then find out what local dealership has the same one you want in their 2007 inventory left over .you will get a good deal believe me they need to get rid of that boat at cost if they must to get new inventory. i got mine that way and lots of people still cant believe what i paid till i am proud to show them the sale recpt....
 

mickjetblue

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Re: Boat show season approaching

Boat shows are great for information gathering and appreciation.
I haven't bought a boat at a show, but have some observations,
and the biggest is that the prices decline towards the end of the show.
There are offers made each day, and there may be some flex in
the daily bottom sell price. If you wait until the last day to make your
bid on a boat you want, that might work if the boat is still there.

There are many last year's models at the dealers, but they might not
be brought to the show. The dealers like to bring the higher profit margin
and higher cost boats to the shows. Everyone likes a good deal, and there
will be some good deals at the shows and just about everywhere this spring.
Gas prices are probably not going to drop.

Consider how often you are going to use the boat per year, and your
expected costs per outing. If you will use if often, you might prefer a four
stroke outboard to a two cycle, and the initial higher motor cost work out
over a few years. If you use it only a few times a year, then perhaps a
two cycle motor is more realistic for a lower purchase price. Then again, if $ is
no object, go for whatever you want.

Have you experience with what the differences in hp will do with the boat?
If you don't, you could be in a fix if you buy a 75hp and then decide you want
a 125hp, or vice versa.

Research, research, and then go for it!
 
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