Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

stub756

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Ok our 88 2.3l OMC is overheating at speeds below 15-20mph. We replaced the impeller check passages the best we could(with a graden hose). In the yard it runs great no overheating or anything. But once its in the water it takes about 1 minute of idling to get really hot 210+. Once you throttle up it cools right down to around 170. In the yard the riser and exhaust manifold are cool. In the water both are very hot to the touch. Thermostat tested ok. I am completely puzzled... The only thing I can think of is that there is a restriction coming from the intakes to the impeller. Any other thoughts... Its prolly going to the shop next week since we bought it from and they said the overheating problem was fixed.
 

stub756

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Also one more question. Every diagram I look at for the impeller on my 2.3 shows an impeller that has a much wider impeller then ours. The one our boat says it calls for despite the diagrams is about half the width in veins (about 3/4in) and the rest is just the shaft that sits i the impeller adapter. Getting the bigger impeller seems to be a work around to the real problem though?
 

Sillyolebear

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Good evening,<br />Hope you don't mind this email and i hope you have time to read thru it. I just registered on this forum to learn more about the mechanics of inboard/outboards because mine just started over heating. I do not have a manual for my OMC. Where are the "impellars" and how can I check some other things out that you may have already gone thru? Where and How do you put the garden hose? Thanks in advance for taking the time<br /><br />Joe
 

Sillyolebear

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Oh yeah, one more thing. Not only would I like to learn about fixing it myself, I just recently got laid off and don't dare take it to the shop.
 

stub756

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

On your outdrive there should be a cover with three bolts holding it on.. Take it off and the impeller housing is just below that. All i I did with the graden hose was disonnect everything at the thermostat housing... (Bolts onto the exhaust manifold) and ran water through the hoses making sure there was adequate flow.
 

kdmiller8251

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

stub756:<br /><br />You solved your own problem, let the people you bought it from worry about it. They said it was fixed, it isnt... End of story.....<br /><br />Sillyolebear:<br /><br />Its not polite to tag on to other peoples threads, if you have a question start your own thread.<br /><br />Tallman
 

stub756

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Thanks TM...Not sure the marine shop will take care of it though since the boat wasnt in our possesion when they did the work... When we bought it the work order said that it was fixed though.
 

kdmiller8251

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Is your timing set right??<br />Sometimes if that is set to far it can cause the overheat.<br /><br />I would suspect probably the impeller, if it runs good on hose, or a restriction in the system.<br /><br /> Also check for restictions in the system. are you running in salt or fresh water?? when was the manifold last replaced???<br /><br />Tallman
 

kdmiller8251

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

oooh yeah do a search on overheating...<br /><br />There are TONS of posts on it.... May give you some other ideas.<br /><br />Tallman
 

stub756

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

TM the impeller is brand new(first time out of it). <br />Timing is set to spec. I've done some searching but I'll try some more. Not usre when the manifold was last replace but i suspect that it is fine, because it is cool too the touch when running on hose water.
 

wizeazz

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

TALLMANN, WELL EXCUSE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! :p :p :p :p
 

MarkJSullivan

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

I am having the same trouble with a OMC 93 5.0 in Winnipisaukee. Is there an independant mechaninic anyone can recommend to troubleshoot rather than $1000 at a marina?
 

stub756

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Mark what have you tried? Have you looked at the riser? manifold?... Just curious as to what you have gone through. Also does your outdrive has intake screen at the water intake.
 

VMAX

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

Hi all, I have some experience with overheating<br />my 3.0 cobra running on muffs in the driveway, and I can tell you how this was solved.<br />Assuming that you have a Cobra drive,<br />the water pump is located behind the long v-shaped cover on the back edge of the outdrive.<br />Remove the cover and the bolts holding the pump housing on, and you will see the impeller, which, if it is the correct one, should be wide enough to "fill" the housing from front to back.<br />If it doesn't contact the surfaces on either end, it cant pump water.<br /><br />Next, with the pump cover still off, check for water supply to the pump, by turning on the garden hose with muffs installed. Water should flow from the drive where the pump bolts up. If not, then you either have an obstruction, or the muffs dont seal well enough to lift the column of water to the pump. (I had this problem)<br />This is not a factor with the boat in the lake, because the water pump will be below the surface of the water with the drive down. The pump cannot prime itself.<br /><br />Next, is the priming part. The plastic? impeller housing has a small hole drilled in it to allow air to escape when the drive is submerged, or the muffs on. check this for obstruction. (I had this problem too). Because of this hole, a small stream of water will flow from under the V-shaped cover if the pump has primed. Running with the cover off, it will literally shoot a jet like a dentist's water spray straigt back. When running in the driveway, I always turn on the hose and wait for this "leak" to start before starting the engine.<br /><br />If the pump looks good, and the hole is open,<br />reassemble the pump and turn on the hose.<br />Disconnect the hose at the engine which goes down to the pump, and start the engine. Water should spray out of the hose forcfully. At least like the garden hose stream.<br /><br />If all is well, you'll need to try the same test in the lake. Submerge drive, point hose overboard and start engine. You should have a strong stream coming out.<br /><br />Now you have enough incoming lake water-the coolant. It has to circulate through the block-<br />Is the engine's water pump belt tight? In rare circumstances in my years as a mechanic, I have also seen the engine water pump impellars rust away or fall off the shaft, but you have to pull the pump to check that.<br /><br />It is easier to pull out the thermostat and run the engine to see if the problem is solved. For the price of a thermostat, you could just replace it and try again. I have seen plenty of stuck thermostats.<br />If water is coming in to the block, and the thermostat is removed, water should be coming out of the block, unless there is an obstruction.<br /><br />With a good thermostat in place, the water should exit the block when the rated temperature has been reached.<br />I hope that I have been of some help to you. Good luck!
 

stub756

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

VMAX thanks alot the only ones we havent tried is in the lake pull the hose at the t-stat housing and see how much spray we get. Also there is a impeller that is specific to the 2.3 Cobra that is suppose toabout half the width of a 3.0 or 2.5 5.6 etc.. Thanks.
 

MarkJSullivan

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

I just bought a 93 cobalt with a 5.0 OMC alpha that reads overheating at low idle -like yours- then backs right down with throttle. The owner said this has happened since new and the dealership said live with it. The reason is that its not overheating at all, but rather oversensitive sensors that are expensive to fix ( why he did'nt fix them under warranty I will investigate further)
 

MarkJSullivan

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

VMAX--indeed you have had some experience. I am ging to try and get the season out of it then address it in the fall. Am I being foolish?
 

kdmiller8251

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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

markj:<br /><br />Why would you buy a boat with a known problem and the dealer says live with it???? Thats crazy... No offense.... If there really is problems with the boat, how are you going to know??? The damage caused by overheating will be more expensive then the cost to fix your current problem... Get it fixed and have peace of mind..<br /><br />Tallman
 
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Re: Boat still Overheats!!!!! GGRRRRr

stub,<br /><br />I believe VMAX has some very good advice.<br /><br />The impeller is a positive displacement type pump. It must seal on all sides of the housing. That means top and bottom too. If not, it won't pump efficiently.<br /><br />I believe that explains why the engine will not overheat on the muffs. The garden hose water pressure is forcing water up into the engine. The impeller is doing little to nothing.<br /><br />Of course, when you drop it in the lake, there is no water pressure, thus no water to the engine.
 
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