Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

JB

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Re: Abandoned boats: a problem in your area?

Re: Abandoned boats: a problem in your area?

GOOD GRIEF!! Enough already!! This must be thread #'leventy bazillion.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Now back to the topic

Sure is a sad situation. Things are looking bleak in this town. Our GM plant maybe shutting down. This area will become a hotspot for low cost toys. I have two to many boats on my property now that need fixin. Planing on planting them in the ground for a waterfall/fish/frog pond. Then I might be able to grab on to someones misfortune. (providing my wife doesn't get laid off)

If everyone got a stimulus check last year with 5 extra zeros, we wouldn't be in this mess.
 

QC

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Make that four . . . :D Funny, I don't recall so many threads, on the same day, about the exact same topic.
 

David Greer

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

A couple of thoughts:
If you salvage the boat you become responsible for everything, including the hazmats. Try to give away 40 gallons of ethanol/seawater/gasoline lately?

Charities don't want clunkers and it's wrong to dump them on them.

Boat salvage yards are full of parts; not much money in parting out. Mechanics don't want to touch old motors any more.

Many boats have liens on them so the dumper is hiding them from the bank. If you take the boat, do you want to pay it off? If the lien is held by a big credit company you will never get anyone on the phone in the first place to cut a deal that would make sense between two individuals.

The used boat market is hot right now--as in lots of good deals sitting there. If the good deals are getting cheap, no need to pay for a wreck--or a chance. Even a plain old hull can come with problems. With the high cost of any repairs, even a "free" boat would cost $500 to get the motor started, and then the trouble begins....

I bet we'll start seeing more of these as the weather warms up and marinas/dry slips start moving out the delinquencies. Craig's list is full of them, or junky boats no one will touch.

Repossessed big yachts are going for about 20 cents on the dollar, i read today in connection with the fraud cases.
 

25thmustang

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Anyone here tried to GIVE A BOAT AWAY?

I have a boat listed for free. I get a good 75-100 emails and calls on it every time I list it. I have had 2 people come look and noone will take it.

It isn't as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

But that is just my experience. Still have the free boat, still trying to get rid of it.
 

bman1bpm

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Everyone in md near the water has a boat of some kind, usually old and unused in the yard.
The DNR in maryland has a procedure for abandoned boats, you go there, get the owners info, attempt to contact, if that doesn't work, run a free ad in the news paper for a few weeks, if that doesn't find the owner, the boat is now yours.
 

fakeplay

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

I'd like to know where to get adoption papers.
 

cwhite6

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Anyone here tried to GIVE A BOAT AWAY?

I have a boat listed for free. I get a good 75-100 emails and calls on it every time I list it. I have had 2 people come look and noone will take it.

It isn't as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

But that is just my experience. Still have the free boat, still trying to get rid of it.

List it for $500 or best offer. It will probably be gone in a week. Alot of folks are wary about free items, but will pounce on something they feel is cheap and too good to let it get away.
 

25thmustang

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

List it for $500 or best offer. It will probably be gone in a week. Alot of folks are wary about free items, but will pounce on something they feel is cheap and too good to let it get away.

I've tried that as well. I have had this boat listed for 6 months, if not longer. I even offered to deliver it, just need my costs covered, and again, nothing but emails, phone calls and no shows. Not to mention I wouldn't feel right charging money for something like what I have.
 

jkust

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

There was an article about this in Boating Life magazine a couple of months ago. They showed a cruiser being lifted with air bags and crained onto a barge. It was expensive. The lack of ethics involved is just amazing. I wonder if this is happening overseas too. It sounded like the salvage business was also very much on the low down too, in the article.
 

n2ostroker

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Most abandoned/junked boats here go to the bottom of the lake... I'd say quite a few are insurance claims and for the same reason right now. Can't afford the maintenance and it's worth more on the bottom than if they sold it.
 

bowman316

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

all they are really doing is scamming an insurance company, that will screw you in a heartbeat.

Insurance is the biggest scam going.
 

rrhodes

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

I have a friend that had a 30'+ Sailboat and it took him over a year to give it away. This was a boat that was 100% restored and ready.

I would have taken it but then where would I keep it LOL
 

idrownworms

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I just got an abandoned boat. The people I got it from found it washed into their front yard about three years ago and finally got tired of it and asked me if I knew anyone who wanted it.
It's only a ten foot john boat that needs a little work, ok alot of work, but I have a few nieces and nephews that would love a rowboat
jamie
 

Bowser4x4

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

A lot of them in the Indian River Lagoon area of Florida. Most of them are ones with hurricane damage, but I am still amazed at how many there are.

And with the same thing: names and HIN's removed and then just left for garbage.

Woof
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special_kaye

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My neighbor saw one like that, but on a trailer, in a guy's yard. Just on a whim, he stopped and knocked on the door and asked the guy if he ever thought about selling the boat. The guy thought about it a second and said, "Sure. Give me $100 for it." My neighbor handed over the bucks and towed a nice 14' Alumicraft home on a decent trailer. He's giving it to his son.

This is how I got my first power boat, a 21' Answer. He wanted some cash so I gave him $600 for the boat, motor, and trailer. Trailer alone, a tandem galvanized, is worth about $650-$700 around here easily.
 

H8tank

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

Anyone here tried to GIVE A BOAT AWAY?

I have a boat listed for free. I get a good 75-100 emails and calls on it every time I list it. I have had 2 people come look and noone will take it.

It isn't as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

But that is just my experience. Still have the free boat, still trying to get rid of it.

Yeah, my old 1986 Sunbird with rotten transom, couldn't give it away, so I dumped it down by the river so I can sell the trailer. :)

Granted, I do own the land and I really wanted to keep it around... sorta like keeping your dead grandma in a vase on the mantel.
 

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

I've been seeing more and more boats just dumped on back roads and in the woods lately, mostly 17 to 30' boats. I've yet to see any aluminum boats dumped, at least not small ones.

Most all of the marinas have abandoned boats sitting that they can't get rid of without a lengthy process here.

Many people owe the marina more than the boat will bring if sold, CL here has more and more free big boats, those over 30' listed. Most are at a marina with money owed in storage.
I've gotten a few smaller boats for free from the owners, then negotiated for the storage fee to be dropped in return for it's removal.

Most dumps will take a boat so long as the fuel tank and any oil is removed. The normal charge seems to be around $70 per ton, so a bare hull isn't all that expensive to get rid of and it sure beats cutting it up.

I've bought dozens of boats for either the motor or trailer, or both, then listed and given them away. So far I've been able to find homes for about two thirds of them after I pulled the motor and trailer. I sold a few, gave a few away. It is getting harder to give them away on CL though and I've had a few really strange takers, including one last year that came back wanting me to pay for the repairs the boat needed, after he took a bare, stripped hull to a marina to get it repaired.

I've seen dozens of boats dumped on back roads, dead end streets, and back in the woods over the last few months, it was always somewhat of a problem, but lately it's gotten really bad. Only now, they aren't always stripped, some are just dumped, motor and trailer and all with all numbers and tags removed.
 

lowkee

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I want to live where you live.. our CL has zero free boats and the cheap ones are still over $1k (and they are actually worthless). Maybe a southeast mindset, but I rarely see deals on anything used around here. Maybe it's because there isn't enough money here, new or old.
 

reelfishin

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Its not that much better here money wise, but you often can watch the same overpriced boats on CL for months with no takers.
I find the best way to off a boat is still to list it with a price. Most people would rather haggle the price down and feel they got a deal than take it for free for some reason. I find that pricing things too low scares people into thinking it's junk.
I've cut up or scrapped a lot boats myself that had potential, but just weren't my cup of tea. Lately I've even picked up a few dozen good used trailers for near nothing or free. I got one yesterday which had a rotted out Century on it, the seller told me to take what I wanted, it was free. The trailer was a 2004 Load Rite, the boat was pure junk, it had sat outside for the past 25 or so years and was nearly filled with leaves. From what I gathered that owner had got it for free with big hopes of restoring it but money got tight and he gave up. I told him all I wanted was the trailer, his response was that the trailer goes with the boat unless you can find a way to remove the boat. I said no problem, walked over to the boat and tied a line to an adjacent tree and pulled away with the trailer. Leaving the boat where it fell. I'm sure that the fact that they now had a rotting hulk of a boat that now couldn't be moved on their lawn soon sank in. I had a super nice trailer, and a box of goodies out of the boat. Being near the shore, this area is loaded with boats, it's just that most are pretty rough due to saltwater damage and neglect. Finding anything worth saving is rare.

I had a 7 year old Starcraft aluminum hull, a 22' boat, which looked like a new boat, it ran great, looked good, and had a later model roller trailer.
It was a freebie. The last owner gave up on it due to major leaks he couldn't find. (The keel was rotted out and pulling away from the rivets). I pulled the motor for my boat, took the controls, gauge package, and trailer, as well as the enclosure and bimini top. I left nothing but the bare hull. My original intention was to strip it and scrap the hull for weight. But when I found it was full of wet foam and that it had 3 layers of plywood under the carpet. I figured it wasn't worth all the work.
I listed it for free on CL, back when aluminum was still bringing good money. No takers, not even a phone call after 5 weeks. So, My next move was to put it on an old bunk trailer, and listed it for "$3500, needs work, has leaks, needs, motor and interior". I got at least 50 calls in the first 4 hours. The second guy to show up bought it for $2900. (I'd have sold it for $29 if that was what it took to get it out of my yard). He had driven over 500 miles to get it, absolutely knew he was leaving with a boat when he arrived. He has since sent me pics of it all put back together, he hung a motor, put in two seats and said its the best boat he's ever owned. He did nothing else to the boat other than ad a half dozen large bilge pumps. He runs freshwater, and probably never beats the boat.
To me, that boat was in no way worth the work to own or fix. It would have meant tearing it down to a bare hull to fix something that I knew would be an ugly, time consuming, repair and I had no interest in it. To him, it was the deal of a lifetime.

The worst thing I see is the mid sized cabin boats being abandoned at the marinas for back storage. I talked to one marina last month that had 33 boats that he was 99% sure were going to be abandoned. All were nice, usable boat which stand little to no chance of finding a new home in this economy.
I used to own a 31' cabin boat, and a 42' cabin boat, both gas powered, both were super thirsty boats. I am really glad I don't own them now.
I'd have no choice but to dump them.
At $2.50 per gallon at the docks, and looking at a $500 day out on the water, most people just don't have it. MY 42' boat would burn 280-300 gallons a day back in 1988, when gas was only a $1 per gallon, now at today's gas prices, and today's dock fees, and winter storage fees, there's no way I'd be able to afford that boat. I can barely afford the $50 a day it cost me to go out with my aluminum boat with the way things have been.

Work is scarce, money is tight, and I don't see any end in site in the near future. There will be many more dumped and abandoned boats out there.
And with local ordinances forcing people to keep their boats elsewhere, (boat's are banned in some towns), there will be more and more people giving up on boating. If I had to pay $250 a month or more to store my boat, I'd sell it for scrap. The going rate for marina storage is about $15 to $40 per foot here. I've already had issues with the local township about boats being stored here. They even tried to pass an ordinance banning commercial tagged vehicles from residential areas. Meaning that my van, which I use for business, since I'm self employed, would have to be stored elsewhere as well. BS like that is what's driving people to dump their boats.
I think that if the average person could park their boat in the back yard and wait out the economy, or sell it, they'd keep it and not just set it adrift.
But if bringing the boat home means a fine for having it on your property, which you pay taxes on, most will take the easy or cheaper way out.

Someone mentioned donating it, but from what I've experienced, they are pretty flooded with boats, I tried to donate a few hulls that had some potential, but was told that it would take months for them to get to it, and I had to store it while they auctioned it off. That wasn't an option for me, so they got taken to the dump or cut up.
 
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