Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

MCS59

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

We have a boat yard here in my community. Boats that were beautiful and expensive at one time are just sitting and rotting away. There is too much hassle with MD. DNR and MD MVA(if there is a trailer ) to get an abandon title. Shame that good boats are left to rot.
 

mthieme

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There were and are a lot of boats rotting in driveways ...always will be for many reasons. I don't see anything littering the Magothy, Bodkin, Severn or Bay.
The article had few facts. Typical liberal media garbage.
 

reelfishin

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Most of the dumping here is on the roads and in the woods. Take a ride through Camden or any other depressed town, or down along the railroad tracks and you'll fine dozens. I counted over 20 just this afternoon there. The back bays, creeks and marsh areas are littered with boats, old and new here. I just went to see a buddies property towards the shore, he's on a river, with about 40 acres of marsh land and reeds backing up to his property, we counted 8 boats dumped just in the reeds, some have been there a while, others are fairly recent. One Glastron V hull, about a 1990 or so just showed up there over the past month or two. They cut the serial number off, cut out the bow numbers on each side and the CG plate and sunk it in the marsh. Where it's at, it'll take a helicopter to get it out. There's another older skiff sunk right next to it of its port side about 15 feet.

There's several larger cabin boats just beached there, half sunk, and one older trihull with an I/O drive that drifted in the same way at high tide and got land stuck.

Take a boat ride down some of the back creeks and channels off of the back bays and in some of the game preserves, and you'll see plenty of boats dumped too. I've also seen a few launched and left at the ramp. They back in, tie up and leave, not all of them tie up or even get out if the truck I watched one guy set a boat adrift last fall, he was backing in as we were headed back to the dock, he backed in, the boat rolled off the trailer and out into open water, he drove off. We were able to push the boat with ours to shore just above the boat launch, where it soon sunk on the bank of the river. I tied it off to a tree nearby and called the police but they never came, and I wasn't waiting around any longer at 2 AM. If it had sunk in the river, it would have no doubt become a hazard to other boats. He left out the drain plug and the I/O drive was removed with only some duct tape over the hole.
(At least if he had made sure it would float, it would have at least drifted ashore further downstream rather then let it sink in the channel). He would have done better if he just dropped it in the parking lot, at least that way whoever recovered it, would have had an easier time of it instead of pulling it from the water half sunk. That boat had no numbers on it, they had been ground off with a file or something. We never got close enough on the water to tell what kind of truck it was, there's no lights and we were still 300 yards out when they pulled away in a hurry.

I picked up a small row boat the other day that got dumped along some railroad tracks in a nearby town, and a 10' jon boat that was dumped in some guys front yard just last week. It's not much of a boat but it's doing a fantastic job of making a dog house roof right now. (He called the police and they told him to just cut it up and put it out with his recyclables on trash day).
 

Edko

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

It's a real shame that type of thing is going on, on so many levels...
 

reelfishin

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What's even a bigger shame is that they make it a real major undertaking to take ownership of one of them abandoned boats. You have no problem getting the OK to remove the boat, but getting a title and using the boat is another game.
 

25thmustang

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

reelfishin, you need to grab some photos of this stuff. Must be your area, I could only hope to see 20 "possibly" abandoned boats if I went to a local marina, and walked through the back area and the woods. I have yet to see a boat dumped on the side of any street, but it is very VERY tempting with mine. I have too many interested people who have no intentions of taking it. I would LOVE to list it for $500 and get that, but I wouldn't feel right doing so.

BTW the pictures I want because it sounds interesting, I like seeing pictures of old abandoned things, I am in no way doubting you.
 

fast50

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

in Florida we still have boats that were abandon after a few bad hurricanes back in 05
 

David Greer

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The dogs that no one will take are inboard/outboards, old wooden hulls, and anything with a musty moldy cabin. Especially an old wooden I/O cabin cruiser. I've seen many a $50,000 classic you couldn't sell for $5,000. Then there are all the 16' bowriders from the 70's that can't practically be converted or used for a work boat.

I know a guy on the Eastern Shore seaside who each year takes an abandoned 14'-16', brushes it and parks it up in the marsh for a duck blind. No loss if a storm tide takes it.

The local governments hurt themselves by making it hard to get rid of a junker legally; they figured this out with cars a while ago. Maybe a conservation group could set up a salvage service of some kind.
 

special_kaye

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The local governments hurt themselves by making it hard to get rid of a junker legally; they figured this out with cars a while ago. Maybe a conservation group could set up a salvage service of some kind.

I'd love to do it but finding a place to store, or dispose, of the hulls would be pretty pricey, though real estate has come way down here lately.
 

bob johnson

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Re: Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines

in NYC on Long Island Sound there is an Island that has close to 30 wrecks on it..

I think it is HART Island...it is off limits and I think belongs to the Dept Of Corrections.

every storm seems to uproot a few boats that make it there and then they are left...

I found a kinda FRESH one once and while it was about a 30 foot cabin boat there wasnt much I was interested in except a really nice big anchor..with a10 foot chain on it...dodnt seem to hold that boat too well in the storm!!

most nature preserves or state owned island end up with wrecks on them for years...

boats that end up on private property are usually disposed of timely.



bob
 

special_kaye

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Too bad no one has come up with a good, cheap, way to recycle fiberglass. Or, an easy way to get title and actually be able to do something with the better ones.
 

BassnTruck

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I have been looking at getting a 30-40'. If I could grab one for free that would be awesome. Even if I to work out a deal on back storage or something. Guess I will keep waiting to see how low they will go. I do find it funny I have seen two of the same models and years. One for $20,000 the other for $80,000. Both seemed to be in simular conditions. The crazy priced ones are usually from a broker. Guess time is on my side and I have some of it right now.
 

RisqueBznss

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I'm not surprised. I was boat shopping last may/june/july. People were trying to hang onto the days of old in getting top dollar. I looked at 40-50 boats 26-34ft cruisers, and was getting discouraged because they did not see or acknowledge the crapstorm coming.

I finally came across a bankrupt dealer in WI and bought a new boat from a bank for over 50% off list. Curiously later in the fall, I looked up all the boats and they were all still for sale. I have seen most of them for sale this spring as well.

Gas prices have eased off over last year but more economic/employment trouble has taken its place this year. A boat buyer needs to get a steal in order to not be underwater themselves after a year.

Happy boating!
 

reelfishin

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Just driving around here over the past few weeks, I see more and more boats out for sale, or just parked out back that don't move. Those that are for sale are still way overpriced and in pretty bad shape. They still think their worth what they paid new.

The normal occurrence here lately is to list it for a premium price, then if no one bites, then part it out, selling the motor and anything else that will sell and dumping the hull somewhere. Not many are dumped whole, if they are, the good parts don't last the first night.
 

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Interesting thread. I have been worried about someone stealing my boat on occasion, but I guess I shouldn't with all the boats no one even wants!

My boat is not insured, but I looked into it last year. After going through the details on the phone, Boat/US wouldn't cover me because I had owned the boat for a while and hadn't insured it before. They referred me to another number to call, which I did. I think it was an arm of Progressive?? They wanted $650/year to insure my 1964 MFG! The person on the phone even mentioned the word "fraud." I was offended. Granted, I am sort of partial to my MFG, but replacing it (boat and motor) might run $1500 or $2K tops...KBB is about $750 is I remember. So it is still uninsured.

I was always under the impression that one bought insurance to cover what you can't afford to replace if lost- like life insurance to cover kids college and/or mortgage or whatever. But I guess the reason for the horendously high rate quoted must be the number of claims ins. co's. are getting from people scuttling high-value boats.

Obama or not, it's going to be a few years before the ripples stop.
 

reelfishin

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I was getting similar quotes long before all of this mess with the economy got started. A lot of that may just be this state but I've had quotes as high as $1700 per year to insure a simple aluminum bass boat to as low as $880 to insure my 18' bay boat. The problem here is that liability claims have always been out of hand and everyone sues, so we pay more in insurance.
Several companies wouldn't insure an older boat for replacement value, they either told me it was too old, didn't have any value, or that I didn't have any insurance history with them, so they wouldn't write me a loss policy, only liability. There's no way I could afford to have a boat and pay over a thousand dollars each year, let alone have multiple boats. There was talk at one time that the state wanted to make liability insurance mandatory but luckily that faded away. Most of the people on the water these days are there to catch fish, to eat. Its the jet skis that need the attention, or the boats than can actually travel at higher speeds, not the guy out there in a 14' tinny with a 6 hp motor trying to catch dinner.
 

special_kaye

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Interesting thread. I have been worried about someone stealing my boat on occasion, but I guess I shouldn't with all the boats no one even wants!

I'd still worry. Seems the big thing around here is now stealing off the boats. Radios, biminis, outboards. Just about anything that isn't nailed (or bolted) down too well.

I even installed my hundred dollar VHF so it can be removed. Not paranoia, but logical. If "they" don't see a radio, or anything easy, maybe they won't look any further and keep going. Just my hope, anyway.
 

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I'd still worry. Seems the big thing around here is now stealing off the boats. Radios, biminis, outboards. Just about anything that isn't nailed (or bolted) down too well.

I even installed my hundred dollar VHF so it can be removed. Not paranoia, but logical. If "they" don't see a radio, or anything easy, maybe they won't look any further and keep going. Just my hope, anyway.

Indeed. And it's also best to be careful when selling boat related items. A couple days ago I sold my little 7.5hp outboard. Had a LOT of interest from folks who wanted me to give them my address up front. Uh, no. Met the buyer at a local grocery store then had him follow me home. Safer that way.
 

Mark_VTfisherman

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Indeed. And it's also best to be careful when selling boat related items. A couple days ago I sold my little 7.5hp outboard. Had a LOT of interest from folks who wanted me to give them my address up front. Uh, no. Met the buyer at a local grocery store then had him follow me home. Safer that way.

special_kaye: Yes- out of site, out of mind. I take most stuff out of mine other than what I can fit in my two lockers- which lock with keys. Fishing poles are tough to hide with no way to lock them up other than take 'em apart and put them in the trunk of the car.

BWR1953: I have sold refrigerators, boat motors, and other stuff on CL or in the paper. I never meet them at my house. I am a single parent with two teenage daughters, never mind with tools and other stuff that grow legs. I am even concerned about having a yard sale - which we really need to have :)

Don't write me a check- give me cash, and forget coming to my house to look at stuff. That is my final answer.
 
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