Bringing an Oldie back to life.....(pics)

ezmobee

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Very nice little boat. I'd rock that thing as is all summer. You're going to have fun with it.

I would not rip up the floor until you were ready to replace it. If it's solid, I would just paint it with some porch and floor paint and go with it for the season.

On those electric shift motors, when the system is working, it's a good system. If you can get it running, I'd certainly use it. However I'm pretty sure that is not the correct control box for it. You need one with the push buttons for shift selection. Not sure how pricey that will end up being on ebay. I'm not a fan of the cable/pulley steering systems and would prefer to upgrade to a rotary system. That said, if the motor you end up going with doesn't have a steering tube you'll have to get an adapter which may not be worth it.
 

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Very nice little boat. I'd rock that thing as is all summer. You're going to have fun with it.

I would not rip up the floor until you were ready to replace it. If it's solid, I would just paint it with some porch and floor paint and go with it for the season.

On those electric shift motors, when the system is working, it's a good system. If you can get it running, I'd certainly use it. However I'm pretty sure that is not the correct control box for it. You need one with the push buttons for shift selection. Not sure how pricey that will end up being on ebay. I'm not a fan of the cable/pulley steering systems and would prefer to upgrade to a rotary system. That said, if the motor you end up going with doesn't have a steering tube you'll have to get an adapter which may not be worth it.

the johnson 55 hp that came on mine when i first got it didnt have the buttons, it had micro switches in the box so when you moved the handle forward, it engaged fwd gear, back engaged rev, etc...


edit: but you are totally right jeremy, they are the wrong controls. they have 2 cables, electric shifts only use 1.
 

ezmobee

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The extra control cable is also a giveaway :p
 

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BTW that matching baby blue fender on your trailer looks sweeeet. I may have to copy that look on mine. What is the difference between the Nassau and the Jet Star? I mean, that looks exactly like my boat with a white bottom!

I think the Nassau was about the same size - but had some hull shape evolution - mine was a '66 and looking at your JS rear end - it appears your bottom was flatter - maybe - other than that - they seem almost =.

I get red fenders on the new trailer - will be posting some new paint pics along with my experience painting - I brushed the Nassau and sprayed the Holiday
 

Huron Angler

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Nice old rig Manny, welcome to the starcraft club.:)

Gotta love the classic look with that blue. I have to agree that your Jet is in remarkable shape as far as the paint, hardware and structure. That will save you headaches down the road since you won't need to track down old parts.

That electric shift Johnson might be a good one to run until it finally dies if you can get her going. Of course some new reliable power would keep your first mate happy since you'd never be stuck on the water;)

Good luck and thanks for posting the pics.
 

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Super nice rig manny! I really like it! I am on the hunt for that exact boat just in total junk state (cheap ya know). Love it!:D

Well if I told you how much I paid for her you wouldn't believe it. I really think I got lucky with this one. The pictures really don't do her justice. Once I get her polished up I will take some better pics. The farmer I bought her from had her stored in a barn for 17 years. To be honest, I don't think she got much use even before that. I am sure you will find a keeper if you keep looking.

Yes, I was aware that the controls are not for that particular outboard. Just another reason I am really thinking about getting another. If I am not mistaken, all I have to do to get the forward and reverse gears to engage is provide 12volts + to the blue or green wire respectively. My idea was just to add some switch somewhere to select the gear. My only concern was getting some type of switch that would ensure that only one of the wires could be hot at any given time. I'm sure someone here will correct me if that wont work. I'm pretty sure that accidentally switching power to both of the leads would have some pretty dire consequences.....but I will save the outboard issues for another thread in the appropriate section when I get to that point. From what I have read so far there are more than a few people on here that are very familiar with that particular motor and will surely help me bring her back to life.

Very nice little boat. I'd rock that thing as is all summer. You're going to have fun with it.

I would not rip up the floor until you were ready to replace it. If it's solid, I would just paint it with some porch and floor paint and go with it for the season.

On those electric shift motors, when the system is working, it's a good system. If you can get it running, I'd certainly use it. However I'm pretty sure that is not the correct control box for it. You need one with the push buttons for shift selection. Not sure how pricey that will end up being on ebay. I'm not a fan of the cable/pulley steering systems and would prefer to upgrade to a rotary system. That said, if the motor you end up going with doesn't have a steering tube you'll have to get an adapter which may not be worth it
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My thoughts exactly. Get her on the water this summer and leave all the "hard" work for next winter. The porch and floor paint seems to be the easiest, cheapest solution at this point. I can't wait to get back from vacation so I can really get into working on her!

is that orange extension cord used for the trailer lights??????

Yes it is! It looks like the previous owner had an extra extension chord lying around and figured its best use was to rewire the trailer. I can't believe you caught that in the pic. I remember noticing that too when I went to pick her up and thinking, "thats odd".
 

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WesMason

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I would not rip up the floor until you were ready to replace it. If it's solid, I would just paint it with some porch and floor paint and go with it for the season.

Yup...I agree with EZ. Leave it until you have/need to replace. My experience was that replacing the deck/floor in my Jett was the most challenging and time consuming project of my (ongoing) oveall project. I'll add and say that I have had good luck with outdoor all-weather carpet from HD. Cheap ($28), went in easy, and is easy enough to replace. At the very least get that deck sealed as best as possible before you put any type of covering/paint on it. ;)
 

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Just pulled up the link for the seats you found. WOW...great deal on a pair of new seats! I think I may have to get a pair.
 

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Yup...I agree with EZ. Leave it until you have/need to replace. My experience was that replacing the deck/floor in my Jett was the most challenging and time consuming project of my (ongoing) oveall project. I'll add and say that I have had good luck with outdoor all-weather carpet from HD. Cheap ($28), went in easy, and is easy enough to replace. At the very least get that deck sealed as best as possible before you put any type of covering/paint on it. ;)

Wes, I actually had already taken a look at your restoration and read all about the turmoil that was your floor replacement. I have to say though, it looks really nice. I am going to take the advice that I have gotten now twice and cover it up for this summer and leave that project for the winter. I worry because that floor was put in by the previous owner some time in the last 5 or 6 years during his final attempt at getting the boat together and there is a possibility that pressure treated wood was used under the plywood. I am soooo scared of what pressure treated wood could do to the aluminum hull after reading so much about it on this forum. Maybe its not that big of a deal, maybe the paint on the hull will protect it, MAYBE......but I have warmed up so much to this little boat that I'm not sure maybe is good enough for me. I mean the thing is 45 years old and still looks great! I know that PT lumber wont ruin it over night but it kills me to think that I might be killing her slowly. Geez...I am really becoming a starcraft enthusiast way faster than I ever anticipated. Is this how it starts???? The late nights trolling the forums.....scouring Craigslist for the next "project"........never ending quest for more pics, info, stories, accessories.....Oh boy.
 

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Yup...that's it! Straight up addiction. At some point one of these guys will start a 12 step group for Starcraft owners. I won't be joining it...but it sounds like something that could happen. :D Wait...now that I think about it...this forum is like a 12 step program! Confessions, admissions, hiding stuff, spending money uncontrollably, sharing "what works". :eek:

It sounds like you have the right idea. You'll get to that deck at some point. There is never a shortage of projects.
 

ezmobee

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Yes. At some point you will identify your ideal Starcraft model and it will become an all-sonsuming quest to locate it. Fortunately for me it was my 18' SS so it wasn't TOO tough to find.
 

Huron Angler

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Geez...I am really becoming a starcraft enthusiast way faster than I ever anticipated. Is this how it starts???? The late nights trolling the forums.....scouring Craigslist for the next "project"........never ending quest for more pics, info, stories, accessories.....Oh boy.

Yup...you pretty much nailed it:D

I have been a fan of Starcrafts since the mid 80s and I'm always on the lookout for some classic tin.

Wait until you start checking key pieces of SC hull design on boats parked in driveways while you are driving past to see if you can recognize the hull/year even though they are under a tarp.:p I've got it pretty bad:eek:
 

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Yup...you pretty much nailed it:D

I have been a fan of Starcrafts since the mid 80s and I'm always on the lookout for some classic tin.

Wait until you start checking key pieces of SC hull design on boats parked in driveways while you are driving past to see if you can recognize the hull/year even though they are under a tarp.:p I've got it pretty bad:eek:


Well I am not very far behind you. I actually have a vacation planned to Cancun next week and all I can think about is how much time I will losing that could be spent working on the boat! Now thats bad. This whole week is accounted for between getting passports, packing, shopping for clothes....I just wanna work on my boat! I haven't even put the jetstar in the water yet and I am already thinking about looking for one of the bigger models so that I can go out on the "big lake" (Michigan-Chicago side).
 

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Well I am not very far behind you. I actually have a vacation planned to Cancun next week and all I can think about is how much time I will losing that could be spent working on the boat! Now thats bad. This whole week is accounted for between getting passports, packing, shopping for clothes....I just wanna work on my boat! I haven't even put the jetstar in the water yet and I am already thinking about looking for one of the bigger models so that I can go out on the "big lake" (Michigan-Chicago side).

thats nothing... i finished mine and splashed it on a saturday, then the following wednesday i left for vacation for 2 weeks. 2 weeks of being 300 miles away, thinking, dreaming of what will be with her. it was 2 weeks of pure hell.
 

tgp***

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Nice ride!

I wish my 66' nassau looked that good when I brought her home. Work, family, vacations, money, something always comes up it seems, but I keep plugging along.

Were those original seats I noticed it the pictures?? I'm trying to find what the original seat height was on these tin runabouts. I'm putting pedestals w/swivels in mine, and want to get the old seat height before mounting.

Restore Thread
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=364174&highlight=66+nassau
 

ts

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Hi Manny, welcome!

Please tell me you're going to put those baby moons back on the trailer :D

They're sweet!

TS
 

manny91979

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Greetings fellow Starcraft enthusiasts,
I have been gone for a while but I wanted to give everyone an update as to my progress. I cant believe it has been a month since I last posted but between vacation, work, kids time sure does fly. I also had to make some time for the walleye run here in the Fox River valley. The fishing has been great so far this year. I have, believe it or not, found some time to make some progress on the boat. Let me apologize in advance for the long post, it has been a month for cryin? out loud!

First, the motor:
I was apprehensive about putting any money into the Johnson 40 electramatic at first. I had a couple free hours one night and decided to do some tinkering with it and before I knew it, 4 hours and one sacrificial rubbermaid garbage can later, I had it running! I started with a lot of testing of the electric shift components as it has been my understanding that that is the weak point on these motors. Thanks, of course, must be extended to all of the very knowledgeable members of this forum for all of the great information available in the outboard motor section. Next step was a compression check. 90 psi in both cylinders meant I could move forward. Then I moved on to the motor itself. This motor has electric start and a generator and all, I mean ALL, of the original wiring had corroded to the point that the insulation was crumbling away. I know a fair amount about basic auto and motorcycle wiring and much of it translates over so I wired the components necessary to turn her over and gave it a whirl. After another trip to the store for a fuel line and 2 stroke oil I yanked the battery from my truck, connected her up and shot twelve volts into the solenoid. Wouldn?t you know it, it started first time, revved like a bat outta hell, and died. I ran out to the back yard, dumped all of the yard trash out of our big rubbermaid trash can, filled her with water and gave it another shot. NOTE: Significant other was NOT happy when she heard the engine roar the second time and came to see what the commotion was only to find the trash can filled with a milky solution of exhaust/oil/water in "her" trashcan and yard waste dumped in a pile in the back yard. Anyway, The motor started up any time I cranked it but died in a few seconds and I knew it was probably the carburetor so I opened the plug at the bottom of the float bowl and used the pressure of the priming bulb to do a very rudimentary carb flush. That solved the problem and I was able to get her running and keep her running. There wasn?t a whole lot of water exiting out the back so I checked the thermostat and guess what, it had been removed and never replaced. So this is what I ordered and am anxiously awaiting.

1)Carb rebuild Kit
2)Ignition tune up kit (plugs, points, condensor, wires)
3)Starter solenoid (long story, I shorted the working original out)
4)Thermostat kit
5)Impeller for water pump
6)Propeller shaft seal (just in case)
7)Lower unit gasket kit

All that came to about 200 bucks. The wiring is actually very simple (again, I have done this kind of thing before) and I am going to make a wiring harness from scratch. I will take some photos and detail that process once the parts arrive. Oh yeah, I found the correct controls for the motor on Ebay and I had the winning bid at 10 dollars. That has already been delivered and is sitting in my garage.

Next, the boat:
I haven?t really spent too much time on the boat herself. I guess there are choices that I haven't yet made that have kept me from really tearing into her. Things like seating configuration, flooring, windshield/no windshield(more on that later) are holding me back. The weather has been kind of crappy here this weekend so today I decided to pull her out of the garage between thunder storms and spend some time with her. OK I confess, I wasn?t really planning on doing any work, I was just going to sit in the boat and try to get some "artistic inspiration" for the interior. That?s a fancy way for saying I was going to sit around and imagine I was out on the water making waves and cruising around. I do that from time to time. I think the significant other is catching on though because every time I tell her I am going for some "artistic inspiration" time in the garage she raises one eyebrow and says things like, "I haven?t seen anything artistic yet". :) So there I am, sitting at the wheel and turning it from side to side like a kid in a toy car, I think I might have even made vroom vroom sound effects with my mouth. Then the rain stopped and I figured that if I didn't start doing something soon the whole summer could pass and here in the midwest, summers are very short and winters are very, very long which would mean another year in the garage. So I wheeled her out into the yard and got out the paint buffer and compound and got to polishing her up. I started at the bow and managed to get the bow section and sides done up to about where the lower rubber rails begin on the sides of the boat. The results, in my opinion, are very good. The paint cleaned up very nicely and the metal rails that run along the top of the boat were completely transformed. I have posted a few pics below. Let me know what you think. Now I know that short of a completely new paint job like many of you here have done she is not going to look good as new but I think she is going to look pretty decent on the water, especially for a boat that cost me $200 including the trailer and motor.

:confused::confused:EDIT: My photobucket account is acting up for some reason and I cant upload the photos to get URL's. I would rather not attach them as I would have to resize them etc, etc. I will upload them tomorrow. :confused::confused:


So, now for some of your opinions on a couple matters. First, the windshield. The windshield has some very visible cracks that you can see in the picture. A new or good condition used windshield is just not going to be in the cards for this season. Unless of course I can find a steal on one i.e. a couple hundred bucks or less, which is not likely. My question is, would you guys cruise her with the cracked windshield as is? Or, just remove it until I can get my hands on a better one? I LOVE the look of the windshield and I just can?t see myself taking it off and motoring around and not feeling like the boat is naked or something. If you saw someone out there with that cracked windshield do you think it would look alright or take away from the boat itself?

The next is the floor. I had originally decided that I was going to pain the floor that is in there and just get her out on the water but more recently started leaning towards gluing down some carpet only because I thought the painted floor would show shoe prints and wind up looking worse than the bare wood. Now, in the very front of the boat is a piece of wood that is original to the boat and has a vinyl covering. I was reading through the Starcraft brochures and they describe the floor for this model and year as a non -slip vinyl covering. The stuff seems very durable (lasted this long, still looks good) and is very much non slip. My question is, have any of you ever used something like that? I havent seen it mentioned in any of the restoration threads. I thought maybe it wasn?t used because it would trap moisture on the wood and rot it sooner. I know someone here has either tried it or knows why no one uses it.

One more thing:
For tgp***:
I measured the seats for you. They have a metal tube frame that lifts them off of the floor. Here are the dimensions:
From floor to bottom of seat (open area, tube frame) - 4.5 inches
From floor to top of seat cushion (part you sit on) - 10.5 inches
From floor to top of seat back - 22.5 inches
From forward tip of front facing seat cushion to rear tip of rear facing seat cushion with the seats upright - 45 inches
From forward tip of front facing seat cushion to rear tip of rear facing seat cushion with the seats layed down - 65 inches.

Hope that helps.
 

Huron Angler

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I agree on the marine vinyl...mine was still in somewhat reasonable shape from '79 and I put new grey Nautolex marine vinyl back in when I rebuilt my deck.

I love it, it is easy to clean, great grip, repels water, durable and looks nice too. The only downside I've found so far is that kneeling in shorts isn't the best. Carpet is softer but I just use pfds now if I have to kneel.:D

Look forward to some more photos, glad to hear you got the 40hp running, nice work!
 

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...I opened up a flikr account, didn't want to wait til tomorrow. Let's see if this works:
***Please let me know if you have trouble viewing the photos***

Here is the before pic of the metal along the top of the boat:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4697525897_cb18d11313.jpg

And the after pic:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4698150038_802b8bcb9d.jpg

And some more pics:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4698179550_614cde243c.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1273/4697547411_717c4b56f4.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4698181226_58c76d5519.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4697550875_3ac9dbf319.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4697549129_171f402ef2.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4697532901_a6d50c9715.jpg

And this one I call "The Rubbermaid Heard Round the World" because it almost kicked of World War III right here in Chicago.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4698252086_2561277656.jpg
 
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