Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

[Plainsman]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

I too have not answerd the question..

Here are my thoughts on how to help win the war in Iraq:

. Let the military do what it is trained to do. Fight, capture and kill. Have the military stop doing public works, let them be soldiers. If they are not in combat arms they can support those that are. Let the commanders on the street be in charge of how to deal with a situation, no more calling for approval. But they will be held accountable for those actions.

Have the Iraqi military take the lead, with guidance and support from us. Let them be the ones to go into the mosques and “handle” those inside. No need to destroy the building, this would help get the Iraqi public behind us. Collateral damage is to be expected, it is war.


Anyone found with a weapon or harboring terrorists is to be arrested on site and locked up to be dealt with by the Iraqi’s and their form of justice.

Get rid of al-Sadar and his militia. This can be accomplished with force and/or maybe a one-way ticket out of Iraq, if he wants to live. If he does leave, wait a year or so and take him out then, he will not become a martyr that way.

No more imbedded media. There will be daily press briefings held by the OIC of US forces in Iraq and that is what the media gets.

The President needs to have a bi-weekly televised press meeting, informing the American public how things are going, good or bad. He needs to let us know of the progress that is being made. I think if the public were more informed as to what was actually going on, they may turn in the other direction. All most of us get is the bad news from the media about the war.

Put forces, American and Iraqi, on the Syrian and Iranian borders. Anyone caught crossing into Iraq anywhere but a military checkpoint will be shot, no questions asked. That would send a clear message to those governments and those wanting to come to Iraq to cause havoc. This can be done with boots, cobras, apaches and blackhawks. Maybe even satilite.

Share the oil revenues equally among the Kurd’s, Shiite and Sunni’s. This may allow the government of Iraq to move onto more important issues that they face. As well, it may stop some of the violence among the different factions.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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First, have a press conference and inform the media that they are all to sign a written oath of loyalty to the United States, or turn in their badge ON THE SPOT.

Second, inform those remaining that any breach of national security by any means whatsoever would be dealt with as outlined in the constitution ( for those in Rio Linda or New Orleans, that means they will be held legally responsible for the credability, inteligence breaches and intent of their journalistic content } ...

Third, start the actual conference to allow all those who wish to support the enemy one chance only to leave.
They are to be considered "ememy sympathizers", and transport would be provided for any who wished to leave, one-way to Iran or Syria their choice.

To those "objectors" who wish to stay, fine. Stay, but you are not allowed to support the enemy anymore, and will be ignored, unless you become combative -- at which time, the military will consider you an "enemy combatant", and dispatch you as they have been trained to do, without the prerequisite approval of politians.

Those (after the one-time offer of deportation) who simply want to rip this declared strategy appart without any replacement solutions to the cans of worms they open, will be arrested and shipped to Club Gitmo for the durration of the war or their lives (whichever ends first) -- charged with "allied strategic obsruction durring wartime".

Then, I would say, "Any questions?"

kein mein Sir Führer

 

[12Footer]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Totaly uncalled for, yet predictable, boatbouy.
Why not just hop a leaky boat to Iran, mock-mood.

I'll have my opinion and you are powerless to stop that.. (so far).

 

[artburr]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

I have stayed out of this forum so far but I'm sure that you would like to hear from your favorite lib. Hear is a portion of a guest opinion in a local paper written by a great American - me. Hold onto your seats:

Most Americans now agree that the situation in Iraq is a mess but I, for one, hesitate to blame it all on George W. Bush. In fact, I’m inclined to agree with cartoon character Pogo who supposedly said, “We have met the enemy and he is us” or something to that effect.

After both world wars, popular sentiment supported creation of an international organization devoted to peace and the welfare of people throughout the world. Refusal of the United States Congress to ratify participation in the League of Nations after World War I, surely contributed to that organization's eventual demise.

The United States also bears at least a modicum of responsibility for the fact that many perceive its successor, the United Nations, to be weak and ineffective. As a participant in its design and ratification in 1945, the US helped create an organization in which any one of five powerful nations could override the wishes of all others. So far, efforts made to change this have failed.

We have also weakened the United Nations by President Reagan’s decision to withdraw from agreement to abide by decisions of the International Court of Justice and our failure to ratify and be bound by the International Criminal Court. We have failed to join almost the entire rest of the world in ratifying the Kyoto Protocol on climate change and, more recently, ignored the Geneva Convention’s ban on torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners.

If, as has been suggested, it is all about oil then we have collectively failed there, too. President Carter warned of the need to decrease our dependence on oil, particularly foreign oil. Instead, our appetite for oil has skyrocketed. We have bought SUVs and shifted support from railroads to highways. The interests of “big oil” and highway construction have prevailed.

It is easy to for me to say what I think has gone wrong but fixing things is another matter. If you have ideas, write a letter to the editor, write your Congressman or email them to me and I will do my best to incorporate them in a future article

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I have a plan: surge 21,000 troops + or - to Bagdad with more open rules of engagement for our boys and girls to back up the Iraqis who do the major violence supression. Warn Syria, and Iran about some consequences of interference. It's Bush's plan (in case you did not recognize it). I live near Seattle, get my news from the media, (which is very biased and untrustworthy), so I know I am ill informed when it comes to actual actionable information, (as are all of you: I think). The ememies within can punctuate the message that GW has already given: IRAQ get your sheet together as Nancy Galore and Dingy Harry want to do what Dems and Libs have done to our allies since 1974-5: CUT YOU OFF AT THE KNEES AND LEAVE YOU TO THE MERCY OF THOSE WHO MEAN YOU HARM. Don't know that it will work, but it is sure worth a try. If Iraqis don't rise to the occasion then the plans of some of my fellow Conservatives may be how we go forward once we lose a city or two to shut up Nancy and her pals. Heck, even Bro Haut would get much nastier if Seattle went up in smoke courtesy of followers of the Religion of Peace. Let's all hope the existing plan works. Respectfully JR

 

[artburr]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

"Hear is a portion of a guest opinion" Gad zooks, I'm gettin' sloppy - or is it fuzzy headed to most of you?

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Let me see if I get this right:

"After both world wars, popular sentiment supported creation of an international organization devoted to peace and the welfare of people throughout the world. Refusal of the United States Congress to ratify participation in the League of Nations after World War I, surely contributed to that organization's eventual demise."

It's the fault of the USA

"We have also weakened the United Nations by President Reagan’s decision to withdraw from agreement to abide by decisions of the International Court of Justice and our failure to ratify and be bound by the International Criminal Court. We have failed to join almost the entire rest of the world in ratifying the Kyoto Protocol on climate change and, more recently, ignored the Geneva Convention’s ban on torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners."

It's the fault of the USA

"If, as has been suggested, it is all about oil then we have collectively failed there, too. President Carter warned of the need to decrease our dependence on oil, particularly foreign oil. Instead, our appetite for oil has skyrocketed. We have bought SUVs and shifted support from railroads to highways. The interests of “big oil” and highway construction have prevailed."

I'll blame that on envormentalists, or the left as we call them.

"It is easy to for me to say what I think has gone wrong but fixing things is another matter. If you have ideas, write a letter to the editor, write your Congressman or email them to me and I will do my best to incorporate them in a future article"

I do write to them, at least once a month. And I am glad to say I get phone calls, letters or an email back from them (or more likely an inturn) within a week or two

But it was a nice letter that you wrote.

 

[xtraham]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Plan ?
How about an eye for an eye
have you forgotten ?

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Where is the left on this? I would really like to hear you thoughts. Some of us have put forth ideas, what are yours?

 

[crunch]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Eric, there will be no plans other than "tail tucking" cut and run.

The Democrats based their whole Campaign in 2006 on bashing the Presidency and the Republican party in general. If they had a plan you would have heard it before the election... don't expect one now.

They did a masterful job at fooling the easily fooled American public into the mind set, with the full collusion of the "news" media, that we were tricked into an un-necessary and foolish war, far from our world interests by the evil GWB and his henchman "Rummy".

Expect to see the tired old refrain of "Bush lied, people died". "Where are the WMD"? and that old favorite of mine... the "just stay the course" BS. they like to misrepresent.

The Liberals have their agenda, and that is to make this country a Socialist country, balls cut off and not a player on the world stage...... Can't we all just get along, the Libs historic magic mantra, and their unwitting plan to the downfall of this Great Country.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yet more sniveling....
Dummy doesn't really want to hear anyone's plan....
Much less implement it.....
Maybe the funding should be cut off, necessitating an immediate withdrawl......
I did enjoy watching "Weezy" getting grillled....
She was sweating like a ***** in church......d

 

[crunch]

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Maybe the funding should be cut off, necessitating an immediate withdrawl......

And you, along with the rest of the bed wetters will have to take responsibility for the aftermath of that foolish decision.... God has mercy, I don't. :devil:

 

[12Footer]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Yet more sniveling....
Dummy doesn't really want to hear anyone's plan....
Much less implement it.....
Maybe the funding should be cut off, necessitating an immediate withdrawl......
I did enjoy watching "Weezy" getting grillled....
She was sweating like a ***** in church......d

You DID enjoy it? I thought all that hatered was reserved for Bush. Some "plan" ya got there, HM.

 

[oddjob]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

My solution is immediate withdrawal, & get a draft going so we can bolster our ranks for the real fight....
Let them fight it out amonst themselves....
'W''s blunder has all ready left egg on the face of the US....
So, I say if they are gonna b!tch anyway, give them something to really b!tch about.....
If Iran & Syria get involved, we can redeploy our beefed up military.....
The real fight is all of them combined....
That oil will get pumped & sold eventually....
It's just a matter of time......JK

Cut and run now ( let them re-group and train the new surge in jihadists recruits . Start the draft again here (as if we need one). Come later back and fight them along with Iran and Syria. I bet your serious haut. Call Nancy, you got the plan..d

 

[WillyBWright]

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Why do you extremist neocon fanatics have this insatiable need to insult everyone that doesn't agree with your narrow-minded minority point of view? You are a constant embarrasment to Real conservatives. Do you feel so threatened by the majority of America that has more realistic views of current events that you can't maintain an intelligent dialogue? And posting pictures of 9/11 in a lame attempt to link Iraq to it only makes you look incredibly foolish and bigoted. IRAQ DID NOT SEND THOSE PLANES! No class whatsoever xtraham.

 

[PW2]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

The left has delineated many plans. Between splitting Iraq into three parts (Biden Plan) to redeploying (Murtha Plan) to fight foreign intervention and AlQaida To the Iraq Study Group which favors opening a dialogue with Iran and Syria, and getting the region into the program, etc.

The fact you on the right choose to mischaracterize and misstate it is unfortunate, but predictable.

The problem is that sending in more troops, and banging down doors in Baghdad will only result in more hatred of the US, and a larger insurgency, and the Sunnis will continue to fight as long as they feel they have no choice.

There is a reason all of the other "coalition" forces are leaving, even as we surge. It is because we have done all we can do militarily, and any further action only succeeds in making things worse.

We need to go back into Afghanistan and clean that up, and go back after AlQaida (and comparable terror groups) wherever in the world we find them, like we did in Somalia

Mailiki, and the Iraqis, have to make of this opportunity what they will. We've done all we can do. To my mind, we've already achieved "victory"

 

[crunch]

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and go back after AlQaida (and comparable terror groups) wherever in the world we find them

Seems we have been finding one He11 of a lot of them in Iraq.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

That's your problem. You seem to think Iraq = Al Qaeda. That all Muslims are religious fanatics bent on death and destruction of USA. That all Muslims are sympathetic and complicit with Osama Bin Laden. Sometimes I wonder if you are able to differentiate between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. They're all just Towel Heads to you. Kill them all and we'll have all the free oil we need and Peace on Earth. And any Muslim with a gun is a Terrorist. That's what you get fed on a daily basis with the likes of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

You need to start sorting Fact from Fiction. Until then, we'll just get more of the same from you. But at least you're entertaining to a degree. I just hope thinking people of the world don't read your drivel and equate You with America. Fortunately few of US have such a bigoted point of view.

 

[crunch]

Re: Bush: If you don't like my Iraq plan, tell me yours

Willy, I don't watch TV and haven't listened to Rush since 1991.... I probably have a much better idea of what is going on in the Mid-east than you ever will as I've been researching it for the last 16 years.

I know that Al Qaeda is in Iraq, do you? Do you know anything about Al Qaeda or is that just another name for OBL?

Do you know anything about the Mid-east or is that just where your gas comes from?

Come on, educate me.

 

[WillyBWright]

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Al Qaeda is in Iraq. I'll concede that. But that doensn't mean that Al Qaeda IS Iraq, or even a representation of Iraq. That would be like saying althat Jews are in America. There are people of the Jewish faith in America, no denying that. But that doesn't mean that America is a Jewish State. What you repetedly imply ad nauseum is that Iraq is an Al Qaeda State, and it's just as false as America is a Jewish State.

What we're seeing in Iraq is exactly what would happen in any soverign nation that was occupied by an invading army "for their own good". Nobody likes occcupyers. But don't let their faction fighting dogfight for power be confused with Terrorism aimed at the US. The occupyer is the common enemy of all factions, and the ones that get shot at by all factions. Can we stop that? Ultimately probably not. We gave their country back to them. Mission accomplished. But the time has come for them to figure out how to make it work or throw it away.