Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Striper Blues

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So the saga goes.....<br /><br />I bought a 1989 25' Grady White Sailfish recently, mostly because it had a brand new (not rebuilt) 460 Ford long block going in it. Along with that went new manifolds, alternator water pump filters and overall tune up items. We sea trialed it in October and it ran fine but we didn't take it to full throttle because of the 2 hrs on engine. Ran perfectly.<br /><br />It was winterized and stored for the winter. Last month we flushed it out started her and then changed the plugs and oil. I launched her a couple weeks back took her out and ran fine. After about 10 hours of easy does it at different rpms, I opened her up for a trip across Long Island Sound. The first sign of a problem was that the max rpms only went to about 3800 WOT, which was about 21 knots. This boat should push 30 at 4400-4800 rpms at WOT. <br /><br />I checked her over and discovered the vaccum secondaries on the Holley 4bbl weren't opening but when I opened them manually it stood right up. The next time out, same issue but this tije it would run up to 3800 cruise for a couple minutes then start dieing out until I backed off. This continued to happen the next couple times out and eventually worsened to the point that if I didn't throttle back she would stall. I could restart and repeat on demand. <br /><br />I elected to swap out the carb as I didn't want an old carb causing issues on a new engine. ....You guessed it no luck. Of course it continued to sound like it was starving for fuel and it began to happen a lower rpms. I have since gone through the entire fuel system. Checked vent, tank (whistle clean) new filters and water separater and yesterday a new fuel pump. All for naught....ouch.<br /><br />Now it has worsened to the point where once it is warm it will start bogging and popping through the carb. If I let it run it will run itself to a stall. Pump the gas and it starts, but I now literally am limping back to the dock at under 5 knots or it stalls. <br /><br />Bear in mind that in neutral I rev it to any rpm and it will run flawlessly all day. Once its hot and in gear it will get worse and worse until it stalls at anything over 1000 rpms or so.<br /><br />Just to thicken the plot and make it a bit juicier for you experts who love challenges. I have in the last two days. Rechecked vent and fuel flow (remember no problem in neutral and floscan shows plenty of flow), change the cap, rotor, condensor, points, wires, ignition coil, spark plugs. Today at the suggesting of the local mechanic I ran a direct lead from positive side of battery to positive side of coil to eliminate the whatchamacallit that regulates voltage?? to coil...in any event nothing. It continues to get worse and now it is bogging/popping upon acceleration only 5 minutes after she starts and gets warm. It runs fine a low cruise speed (no bog/pop) but only very low speed, like 4 knots, 1000 rpm.<br /><br />Oh yeah, I rechecked the timing 10 degrees BTDC, dwell at 29, etc. etc.<br /><br />I 've checked the ESA switch which would suggest normal operation at idle/gear engagement. Just enough stutter to ease shifting.<br /><br />I've reached the end of my knowledgebase and only hope your's includes the answer.... I guess I'm searching for some other type of defective electrical apparatus, switch or thingamajig that might on a rare occassion decay after warming up when it gets old.....<br /><br />Please put me out of my misery......ugh....I'm getting ready to give the key to the local mechanic and let him take over the mystery pursuit for a couple weeks.... Like I said you couldn;t make this story up on a bet....yikes....
 

bomar76

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

It's fuel flow, regardless of what your floscan says.
 

snapperbait

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Did you ever set the float level on the new carb?...
 

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Get ahold of a 6 gallon tank and try running off of that. You've got something going on with your fuel tank. Anti-siphon valve, pickup screen, ??? I agree with bomar, it's got to be a fuel delivery problem.
 

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Mine had a bad anti siphon valve and I had fuel starvartion problems. Had it replaced and all is well now! It is a right angle fitting on the gas tank, your line that runs to the fuel pump will be connected to it. There is a steel ball and a spring inside, the ball keeps gas from siphoning into the bilge if the fuel line leaks. The fuel pump normally can overcome the spring pressure, but if it rusts internally it won't and you can have fuel starvation problems.
 

Striper Blues

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Thanks for the feedback. I forgot to mention that I replaced the anti-siphon valve when I opened up the tank. I too thought fuel starvation which is why I've replaced every component in the fuel system (except tank which is spotless). But after it dies out I can restart within a minute and it will run forever in neutral at any rpm... <br /><br />Would fuel starvation cause it to pop thru the carb? I know its an ugly dilema...<br /><br />p.s. I've also run it with the fuel cap off in the off chance of vaccum lock...
 

Striper Blues

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Sorry, I forgot, I will hook up external tank and try that. thanks again.
 

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Remove the anti-siphon valve, With a thin wire, remove the finger filter screen in the fuel pick up tube if installed. Try it without the filter screen. regards fred
 

rjohson

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

try pouring mystery oil down the car get abot a qaurt of it and take it out on the water and pour in 4 oz. at a ti bring it up to 4000 rpm in neutral keep blowing it out until you use about 12 oz. and than take for a ride
 

Striper Blues

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

I took her out and ran on an external tank. No luck. She still will start to pop through the carb and bog out. I'm going to take a look at the distributor and see how the advance mechanism looks. At this point, I'm thinking it must be electrical....
 

marlinempress

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Pat,<br />I've had similar problems where everything works fine in neutral but not under load and it'll backfire through the intake when it starts to bog at too much throttle opening. I've an aftermarket throttle body fuel injection system though so if it's a carb problem and the secondaries aren't the problem I couldn't help ya there. :) I'll tell you what made a HUGE difference and fixed my problem though is a 60-70 dollar electronic ignition from pertronix. Idles smoother, starts easier, and I can now acheive WOT which I could never do before, it would always bog. Also after sitting in the water it would bog for a while for some reason, and it seems to have fixed that too. On a brand new engine like yours, I would think it'd be a very worthy upgrade anyway to get the electronic ignition....especially if you didn't put the ballast resistor back to the positive side of your coil. (which will burn up your points very prematurely) The pertronix will take the full 12 volts and provide a stronger spark as well.
 

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

You didn't mention if you checked the pressure from the fuel pump, if that is going, it will run fine all day on the muffs, doesnt need much fuel to spin in nuetral, but when the engine needs the juice, it definitely can starve for fuel and produce a lean backfire. I would do a flow and pressure check of the fuel system.
 

Striper Blues

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Marline,<br />Thanks for the input. I've been looking at them and was thinking of making the switch. I think I'll do it. I still think I have to replace the springs on my advance weights mechanism because upon inspection today I found one is very loose. It would seem to me that both should be equally snug no one snug, one loose. <br /><br />Is it possible for one loose spring to allow premature advance? Points or elec pick up, if this is happening it will screw up the advance I would think.<br />Pat
 

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Originally posted by Pbburke:<br /> I'm going to take a look at the distributor and see how the advance mechanism looks. At this point, I'm thinking it must be electrical....
That's what I was gonna say.
 

jeff13601

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

I agree with Mahoney, I think its a fuel flow problem
 

marlinempress

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

yep that's very possible, I'd definitely check that. If that's jacked even the pertronix won't fix it 'cause it advances from the same mechanical advance dealie. Maybe someone has specs on what the advance per rpm should be for that motor so you could check it, 'cause I sure don't! :)
 

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

I'm told by a local mechanic that I should not have two different spring tensions, which makes sense. One spring is almost falling off and no doubt allows that weight to move much sooner that the other. This can't be good and I suspect could advance the timing prematurely. I see that I can replace them with a kit, but I'm inclined to just replace the distributor as I also found some oil inside. It looks like lube not motor oil but probably speaks to the age of the distributor. After all it and and the starter are the only parts that aren't new on the entire engine.<br /><br />Survey says.......?????
 

KaGee

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Pertronix upgrade... distributor and all!
 

Tacklewasher

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> Pertronix upgrade... distributor and all!
Ditto.
 

Striper Blues

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Re: Calling all OMC experts, you can't make this stuff up....

Anyone know what the Prestolite part number equivalent for the OMC part number 985110? For the 1989 OMC 460 cu in Ford, King Cobra setup.
 
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