can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

[stackz]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

The 50927 is a 1961 Evinrude 75hp Starflite. And boy, is that flywheel rusty! Never seen one that bad. And boy that boat looks unhappier than the first one!

how hard are these flywheels to find or are they restorable? and yeah, this is the boat with a big hole in the bilge with a tree growing through the middle of it haha

 

[yorab]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

They're not too tough to find, though they are heavy and that means a bit more for shipping. I don't believe that you'll find one at iboats or other new-parts dealers. You'll probably have to get one from a scrapyard. I have a decent extra one from my parts motor (1961 75hp Starflite). PM me if you decide to get one.

 

[stackz]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

They're not too tough to find, though they are heavy and that means a bit more for shipping. I don't believe that you'll find one at iboats or other new-parts dealers. You'll probably have to get one from a scrapyard. I have a decent extra one from my parts motor (1961 75hp Starflite). PM me if you decide to get one.

are they able to be pulled apart and cleaned up/rebuilt or are they riveted together or something from the factory? I have a dip tank for automotive parts and may try that to see how well it cleans/loosens up when I get the motor to my house but just trying to think ahead of the curve on this at this point since apparently everyone is appalled at how it looks lol. a little rust has never really scared me in the past....well unless the part crumbles in my hand.

 

[yorab]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

The flywheel is one piece with rotor segments brazed to the ID. I can't see anything wrong with cleaning up the old one. Maybe somebody else will chime in to let us know for sure. Just remember that the flywheel is balanced, so if there is excessive pitting due to rust, this could throw off the balance.

 

[1946Zephyr]

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how hard are these flywheels to find or are they restorable? and yeah, this is the boat with a big hole in the bilge with a tree growing through the middle of it haha

I would just remove your own flywheel and have it bead blasted. Repaint it and you'll be good to go.

 

[SeaKaye12]

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The newer 70 HP motor is a 1984. Just for fun I looked up ignition parts for it.

Lets hope you don't need a flywheel for that one; they cost $949.31

http://www.crowleymarine.com/johnson-evinrude/parts/44624.cfm

I wouldn't think they'd sell very many of them.

Chuck

 

[yorab]

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$1000 isn't so bad. The new ones are becoming rare, so if you get a new one, you should buy a spare or two--just in case

Yes, I'm being facetious.

 

[levi_tsk]

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stacks make sure you save that set of controls for the older motor theyre getting hard to come by....

 

[yorab]

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Hey sam_ott, I just started working on my cowl the other day. I realized that I have been wrong about my model. It turns out that I have a Starflite V. I've changed my signature to reflect that. So, perhaps, it is correct that the first Starflite was in '59 and the models updated consecutively each year from there. I'm not entirely sure of this, though I seem to remember reading that somewhere. If that is true, then it would be easy to id a motor year simply based on whether it is Starflite II, Starflite V, etc.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

Yes, that's it. The Starflite 1 was a '59 50hp.

 

[stackz]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

ok, started helping my grandpa pull the boats out of the woods to take to the dump today. everything fought us. the front winch U's on both boats we pulled....pulled out. had to bust holes in the front of the hull and feed straps through to pull them out. got the boat with the 84 engine pulled out.

after fighting fireant piles, huge spiders, and one big boy snake in the boat we got the transom bolts out. had to cut the steering cables and control cables though due to the fireants in that area making it a fools errand to take them intact.

good news is that the prop spins free. bad news is the engine is apparently locked. no clue at this point why either. once I get a chance to clear up space in the garage, I'll put it on its side with the plugs up, remove them and fill the cylinders with penetrating oil.

if this doesnt work, should I pull the carbs and break the main caps for the crank loose to see whats going on in the lower end?

sitting in the garage after one hot/humid/mosquito infested afternoon. ugh. the things we do for curiosity sometimes haha.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

Looks like a mid 80's 40 or 50hp engine. Hard to tell though. The engine looks in not bad shape considering what you said the boat was like!

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

I thought the Starfight 50's started in 58.

 

[samo_ott]

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You're right. I just checked the original flyers. In '58 is was called Starflite. In '59 it was called Starflite. In '60 it was called Starflite 2 and in '61 is was called Starflite 3. Huh.

 

[Wingedwheel]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

OBOY OBOY, I love these kind of projects. As long as those enginges have good compression and aren't locked up you shouldn't have too bad of a time with them. Good luck and have fun. Keep us posted with pics during the course of your re-stores. There are plenty of salvage parts available for both those motors.

 

[stackz]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

OBOY OBOY, I love these kind of projects. As long as those enginges have good compression and aren't locked up you shouldn't have too bad of a time with them. Good luck and have fun. Keep us posted with pics during the course of your re-stores. There are plenty of salvage parts available for both those motors.

please see my post a couple above yours. the 84 70hp IS locked up. what does everyone think about my method for trying to free it up?? futile? worth a shot? best method??

I was looking at it again today and it seems the case joins together right at the crankshaft so I dont know if I can just pull the carbs off to get at the crank mains like I was wanting to do...

 

[Wingedwheel]

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Actually what you're doing is the best way to go about trying to free it up. I've used a strap or a chain and breaker bar. Just be careful that whatever you use for leverage doesn't break something else. Keep us posted.

 

[stackz]

Re: can anyone help me ID these two old evinrude engines?

yeah, we were trying to see if it would turn free while we were taking it off the boat using a 1" socket wrench and socket set my grandpa has. ended up loosening the flywheel bolt lol. I didnt realize just how big this engine was until I got it into the garage. I'm quickly running out of space haha.

 

[stackz]

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ok, I got a stand built for the 84 engine. in the process I got the tilt/trim working so I could set it on the stand in a level position as the stand is a little front heavy (oops!) while I was pulling it level with my cherry picker I noticed some flakey material with a rather strangly uniform spill coming from the engine. a closer look and it was coming out of a hole in the block at the #2 rod (doh!)

guess that explains why the flywheel is frozen in place. My grandfather did find the paperwork to the engine so now I'm in a bit of a quandry on whether to part it out, or start looking around for another powerhead (possibly tear this one down to see the damage first, might just need a crank and a rod). My dad does have a TIG welder so its not like I couldnt weld up that hole in the block if its a clean break on the inside without much collateral damage.

I mean, I know I've got at least several hundred dollars in parts on this thing (stainless prop, foot assembly, carbs, cowl, electronics, tilt/trim, case). its just trying to figure out if I want to use it as my first learning experience with a complete outboard rebuild or not at this point.

as it is, I've got several house/yard projects, 3 cars, and gotta finish my boat so I know it'll just sit on the stand for a year or so unless I stumble on a screaming powerhead deal on ebay or something.

what do you guys think about how I should progress with this?